US soldier self immolation outside Israeli embassy

Everyone deserves to have peace and security but why do Israel deserve the highest priority?

 

What money is being laundered?

 

I didn't know they had the highest priority but they are the current priority because they were attacked.

 

Man alive, you can say that again! Nikki Haley demonstrates that truth daily.

 

I said no such thing. While you and I may oppose killing people, others were born where killing Jews is the foundation of society. The anti-Israel side is known for cleansing land they control and it is unreasonable to believe that they will take a break from hating Jews and work on creating a thriving society of their own. They are kept angry and primitive to preserve their willingness to be used as pawns for Jew haters.

What's the solution? Israel must maintain a defensible space between them and those, who have already cleansed the vast majority of the land in the region.

 

Its likely he was sleeping with a different girl every weekend and wanted a change from that.

 

If you look at the money spent by USA on Israel and the powerful Jewish lobby groups in USA like ADL that have significant control of social issues, the unshakable "alliance" as many would call it...you embody all of that in your discourse here.

Where does that come from? the number one priority. Every body can see it. Even in the UK government it is 100% pro Israel. Where is this ideology stemming from?

And don't give me the 2000 years of oppression nonesense. Black folk have suffered way worse and for longer but we don't have an unshakable alliance with any African nations do we..

 

I won't get into measuring levels of persecution with you other than to say 2000 years is a lot of history with a lot of variations of human interaction. The current support for Israel is based on the unprecedented attack and level of destruction involved. I don't know the measure of success so far in the Israeli military actions but the propaganda war seems to be slipping away from them. I do hope there is enough damage to the infrastructure Hamas has been attacking from to give a period of relative calm when the fighting is over, this round.

 

The supposed "current support" for Israel has been ongoing for a long time. Over the years, it's been constantly discussed about how Israel is America's biggest investment, monetary/arms wise.

I'm just trying to figure out if you guys actually know why Israel is so important, apparently you don't. If you knew about the history Zionism then perhaps you would have a clue, or perhaps you don't want to say out loud or cannot articulate it well enough without coming across as prejudiced.

 

You don't think the money is actually being spent on weapons? What is your evidence that it is, instead, being used for money laundering?

 

I think a lot of it has to do with the Holocaust and collective guilt that it happened. Today there is a country named Israel, it exists in spite of the constant physical and political barriers and that is right, as it should be. So I guess the reason for supporting it is simply that it is the fight thing to do.

 

That's true about the Holocaust, you're prolly right there BUT, the following support we gave them was at the expense of a totally innocent third party. That is the dilemma your Holocaust narrative fails to address. How can we justify that?

This is where you need a bigger and better argument..so to speak.

 

Why, it's enough for me.

 

Natural selection.

 

Ok but it doesn't cast you as a fair person. Jus sayin.

 

Israel laid siege to the entire heavily populated area and cut it off. They told civilians to go to areas. In some cases, they bombed those areas. At best, they just don't care enough about (palestinian) civilian lives to affect how and when they bomb.

 

Nope. He had kids. Having fertile offspring that survive to reproduce is all that matters for natural selection. Not much in modern human selection is natural though. Survival of the fittest to reproduce? Not so much.

 

Eye witness account I suppose.

 

Ya he clearly had a mental disorder. But this doesn't change anything. Hamas needs to go. That's what they asked for and that's what they are going to get.

 

I don't see how being willing to give your life for a cause you believe in being a mental disorder. How is that any different from the many last stands in US military history? Soldiers go to certain death, but they do it anyway because they believe in what they are doing.
When he is fighting for what he believes in by himself, he figured that this would be the most effective way to succeed. It is tragic, but I don't think he was wrong. If he simply refused to serve, he would reprimanded, and maybe spend time behind bars, and no one would ever hear of it. Or if they did, it wouldn't be dramatic enough for anyone to really care.

I certainly wouldn't have done what he did, but I respect him for the hard choice he made. Maybe that is what it takes to get through to our idiotic leaders.

 

It won't make a bit of difference. A week from now no one will even remember his name.

 

Neither do most remember anyone who died in many wars, but what they did at the time they were needed changed the tide. Same goes here.

 

So what, exactly, did the young man who got ran over by a tank in Tianenmen Square change? Don't worry, I'll wait....

 

I didn't know you had the ability to see into other timelines. Interesting.

Who knows how many he inspired, and what was changed? Who knows what may have been different? Certainly not I.

What did my friends who died in Iraq achieve? Certainly didn't win the war. But their actions changed many lives that most will never hear about.
Do you think if an action does not radically change history, it should not be taken, even if it is something you value more than your own life?

Who knows what other people these actions may have inspired, what changes were made that may not have otherwise been made?


In April 1998, Time included the "Unknown Rebel" in a feature titled "Time 100: The Most Important People of the Century". In November 2016, Time included the photograph by Jeff Widener in "Time 100: The Most Influential Images of All Time"
-Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man

I would say he has inspired countless others to struggle for freedom, not only there, but around the world.

 

They care more than Palestinian leadership.