Vegan raw food diet influencer Zhanna D’Art dies of starvation: report

It's sad to see, many trying these Vegan diets, the fruit only diets seem to be the most dangerous

"Vegan raw food diet influencer Zhanna D’Art dies of starvation: report"

https://nypost.com/2023/07/31/vegan-influencer-starved-to-death-friends/

"Vegan influencer Zhanna Samsonova has reportedly “died of starvation” after subsisting exclusively off a diet of exotic fruit in Malaysia, according to her friends and family."

 

"The foodfluencer said her raw foods regimen was reportedly inspired by seeing “peers” who looked a lot older than their ages, which she attributed to their “junk food” diets."

Ironic, considering how gaunt she looks above. I hope her death serves as "foodfluence" to other would-be vegan nutballs.

 

she taught people more by dying than she ever did by living…

 

Your connecting this obviously malnourished person, with vegetarianism being unhealthy, is as ridiculous as pointing to a single Democrat who is a sexual predator or pervert, and concluding from that, all Democrats are dangerous deviants.

To be clear, I am not at all, a vegetarian or vegan. But a plant-heavy diet, seems healthier than a meat-based one. Obviously, though, the plants you eat, and how you prepare them, or don't, will influence your results, just as will the type of meats one eats, and how the animals were raised, and whether they were domesticated livestock, or wild game. IOW, there are a panoply of factors, and your oversimplified OP, has zero factual basis for the charge that vegetarianism is unhealthy.

But, to stoop to your level, here is a counter argument:



https://www.veganeasy.org/everyday-vegans/billy-simmonds/#:~:text=Billy Simmonds – winner of the,Powerlifter, Martial Artist and Vegan.





https://themalestrom.com/fitness/vegan-bodybuilder-barny-du-plessis/









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BILL PEARL
The late, great Bill Pearl (1930-2022) was one of the best bodybuilders of the 1950s and 1960s, winning the 1953 Mr. America and Mr. Universe the year he turned 23 and the Pro Mr. Universe in 1961, all while consuming lots of red meat. At 35, after a doctor warned him of his cholesterol levels, Pearl and his wife converted to lacto-ovo vegetarianism. Two years later, he again competed in the Pro Mr. Universe and won again. At 41, Pearl made a comeback, entering the 1971 Pro Mr. Universe. He won his fourth Mr. U title (and, for the second time, meat-free), defeating 3-time Mr. Olympia Sergio Oliva and future 3-time Mr. Olympia Frank Zane, among others. “Meat is definitely not the secret to bodybuilding,” Bill Pearl later said.
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https://www.thebarbell.com/vegan-bodybuilder/#google_vignette



I could go on like this, to fill this entire page.

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Jim Morris (August 31, 1935 – January 28, 2016) was an American bodybuilder known for winning competitions over a thirty-year career. Among the titles Morris won are: Mr. USA (1972), AAU Mr. America (1973), Mr. International (1974), and Mr. Olympia Masters Over 60 (1996).[1] At age 50, he became a vegetarian and over 15 years transitioned to vegan, a diet to which he credited much of his excellent health.[2] He posed nude for a PETA ad in support of the vegan lifestyle.[3]
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Morris_(bodybuilder)








https://freeupliftingbooksonline.wo...morris-proves-vegans-can-be-muscular-healthy/

 

If humans could live entirely off of fruit, we never would have started hunting.

 

The causes which led our ancestors to eat meat, millions of years ago, have little to do with the possibilities, in our current, human dominated world. Do you really need this explained to you? What is your point, as it applies to vegetarianism, in the modern world?

By the way, your prehistorical analysis, is not really correct. That is, man's first taste of meat, came as a scavenger of the carcasses of other animals' kills, not from his hunting of them, himself.


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When and why did humans start eating meat?

By about two and a half million years ago, early humans started to occasionally eat meat.
By about 2 million years ago, this happened more regularly.
By probably about a million and a half years ago, humans started to get the better parts of animals.Dec 9, 2021
https://www.smithsonianmag.com › ...
Meet the Scientist Studying How Humans Started Eating Meat | Smithsonian Voices

 

If her friends saw that pic and didn't stage some sorta intervention they were some crappy assed friends.

 

related story: Mom sentenced to life in prison for feeding baby vegan diet

 

so do you think the fruitarian diet is safe long term? I do not.....

this was not vegetarianism, it was the most extreme veganism there is


"To be clear, I am not at all, a vegetarian or vegan. But a plant-heavy diet, seems healthier than a meat-based one."

I totally disagree

 

yep, before that we ate bugs or whatever we could

"Eating meat led to smaller stomachs, bigger brains"

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2008/04/eating-meat-led-to-smaller-stomachs-bigger-brains/

 

Your OP read, to me, as being against all forms of Vegan and Vegetarian diets, if not even perhaps discouraging the eating of plant based foods, in favor of meat. I do not know the specifics of this woman's particular diet, but its results speak for themselves. But that does not mean that fruit, writ large, is unhealthy. Clearly, as I had already said, there are more factors involved, than merely if what one is eating, is animal or vegetable.

"Fruit" is a troublesome term, because if you ask your friend and car passenger, as he runs into the market, to grab you "a piece of fruit," and he comes back with an avocado, it is not going to be what you'd had in mind. Nevertheless, it is technically a fruit, because of the seed, at its center. So there is "fruit," as it is thought of, in the popular mind-- apples, grapes, bananas, pears, citrus, cherries-- and fruits, as they are taxonomically classified, which is a far more extensive list, including many things, like bell peppers, that most would regard as "vegetables." I would not think that a diet of just the popular idea of fruits, would be healthy in the long term, especially because it would be very deficient in essential fats, but would also fail to provide the sufficient range and quantity of amino acids (which are the constituents of protein). However, as a general rule, any extremist diets, whether vegetarian or meat-based, are unhealthy, long term. We are omnivores, and proper nutrition is most easily maintained by eating a wide range of all types of food: vegetables/fruits and meat/fish.

 

I believe one should include meat (red meat, fish, chicken, eggs) in their diet, and avoid excessive carbs and seed oils

that said, this story was about the fruit only vegan diet

I eat a keto diet, which includes meat as well as lower carb vegetables and fruit (mainly berries) - I feel our government has lied to us with the food pyramid

"the fruit only diets seem to be the most dangerous"

it sounds like we agree on this one...

 

I think there are a lot of people in society who are not smart enough or do not have enough sense or information to do a fruitarian diet in a healthy way.
There are numerous problems to watch out for on a fruitarian diet. It can be hard to get enough protein, too much fructose in the fruit may not be the healthiest - the body cannot directly convert fructose into energy like it can glucose, can contribute to blood sugar issues and diabetes - and the acidity of so many fruits can be corrosive on teeth.

Something similar could be said for the raw vegan diet. It can be hard to get enough nutrients from uncooked vegetables without any animal products. Many of those vegetables with carbohydrate or protein do not digest very well if not cooked.

It might be possible to stick to these restrictions in a healthy way but that does not mean it is a wise idea or that people are going to be likely to be able to correctly do it.

If these people incorporate even a small amount of animal products into their diet, even 5 or 10%, doing it in a healthy way becomes much easier.

I could get into more specifics, but I suspect the majority of the persons reading this do not have the attention span or desire to think in detail about the complexities.

 

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I just hope the people who follow her on social media take the lesson rather than ignoring reality the way she did.

 

You know the thing about the people who died from these diets -- they did not just suddenly out of nowhere fall over dead.
They could have seen that their bodies were obviously in decline, but they were in denial, refused to see and recognize the signs for what they were.
They doubled down and continued with the strict diet even though their bodies were wasting away.

When you devote that much energy, time and effort to something, when it becomes a part of your life, it can be very hard to admit you were completely wrong. People tend to just ignore things that contradict with their established view of reality.

 

Everyone has a purpose in this life even if it is only to serve as a warning to others.

We didn't climb to the top of the food chain and evolve carnivore teeth to eat grass clippings.

Salad is food for my food and people need to stop eating all of my foods, food.

 

As usual the headlines do not reflect the actual event. She did not die due a vegan diet, she died from just eating fruit.

Anyone eating a meat diet only will die. Will there then be attacks on carnivore diets?

 

I bet it would take a hell of a lot longer to die from a carnivore diet.

 

There is evidence that the size of the brain or number of neurones are not related to intelligence. We can see that in our own species! The brain is an amazing organ and very little is known about it.

It is logical that a meat diet will evolve to smaller stomachs but is that necessarily a good thing as it lessens your diet choices. A meat based diet does give the animal more time to evolutionary develope other abilities to some extant. However we can see that carnivorous animals spend a lot of time asleep whereas herbivores spend that time eating, so swings and roundabouts.

 

Obviously humans are best suited to an omnivore diet.

You shouldn't eat just all meat and you shouldn't eat just all plants.

And we really shouldn't be eating all of this process crap that we call food.

It's been too long. I need to go do some hunting. Perhaps a pig or at least some squirrel or rabbit

 

It took her months to die, and it was probably due to lack of vitamins that are not to be found in them fruits she ate. Like B12 and D. Those come from meat and fish. If you only eat meat/fish, you probably would die in the same way-ish. Dying of lack of vitamin C (fruit) is a nasty killer. Things will be dropping of from your body first, like your teeth. Good luck eating meat like that.

 

She was 39 years old and I presume lived on a fruit diet for several years at least. The two million sailors that died from scurvy would cause you to lose your bet

 

sort of.... a bigger brain with the same body will be better, but with a more complex body would not

 

And you would be wrong. Ask any doctor or nutritionists. Plant-heavy diets are far healthier than meat-heavy diets.

 

disagree, meat\fish\eggs are some of the most nutritious things you can eat - you do not need excessive carbs, and a carb heavy diet is not healthy - most Americans eat way too many carbs

many doctors are starting to realize this, as is the science