Virus death rate is .5 precent

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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    If you believe the "flatten the curve" graphics we saw in early-mid March, it would have come sooner, spiked higher, fallen faster and be about over by now.
    Social distancing wasn't implemented to reduce the number of people infected with or died from the virus, it was implemented to spread the same number over a longer period.
    You know, in an effort to prevent the health care system from being overwhelmed.
     
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    Rugglestx Well-Known Member

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    Weak try, it's not about spring break. It's about the right to make a living for 10s of millions of people. You right to feel "safe" does not outweigh that.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/i...tay-at-home-order/ar-BB13i2fa?ocid=spartandhp

    Courts agree. :)
     
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    BS

    World wide number do not even reflect that trend, much less in America alone. You have serious issue with math as we have seen on here.
     
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    Going back to work prematurely is just going to delay all of this longer and cost more jobs, while also costing lives that you don't seem to care about. I'm not big on MSN as a source and I have a feeling, if I look at your post history, that you aren't either. And I also have a feeling you've had unfavorable things to say about court decisions in the past. Just a hunch.
     
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    I'm not even sure what the first and last sentences mean.

    It's not nearly as "big" a deal as it was portrayed to be, and is still being portrayed to be by some.

    Please stop putting Americans into poverty by preventing their ability to work.
     
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    I'm not sure why you have so much trouble with this. All you need to do is look at where the numbers were going before the shut down to see the path we were on.
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    I wonder why people deny the extreme danger of the virus. They're just lying to themselves. Or are they really that stupid?
     
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    You cannot demonstrate any such extreme danger exists.
     
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    60,000 Dead Americans in Five Weeks is a Sufficient Demonstration.
     
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    Worldwide there are 3 million confirmed cases and nearly 7% of those have died. And much of that has happened despite full awareness of the seriousness of the virus as well as pandemic control measures being put into place.

    So yea...worldwide numbers absolutely reflect a trend that this virus could kill a million Americans in the absence of pandemic control measures.
     
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    When did this happen before?

     
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    And your conjecture on going back to early will cause more job loss is based on nothing but fear. You want to be ruled by it fine, others choose not too.

    Cost lives I don't care about?

    https://www.ibtimes.com/new-pandemic-effects-covid-19-may-start-global-famine-2963113

    What about these lives that will be lost due to the economic shutdown? Millions if not 10s of millions may starve to death, many of them kids.


    Do not like MSN...

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...udge-rules-against-state-s-stay-at-home-order

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illinois-stay-at-home-order-pritzker-extension-judge-blocks/

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/coro...0200427-luf5hsnhpff7harnkckfopq26u-story.html

    Want more sources? I can post dozens more if needed.


    Of course I have not agreed with courts in the past, who agrees with all courts? Why would we even have them if that was the case?

    In this case, they stood on the side of freedom. Which is not free and carries inherent risk in both defending it and living it.

    Beautiful thing is that if you choose you can bunker down for as along as you want. No one is saying otherwise. On the other hand you can not tell me I have too. :)
     
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    What about the first and last sentences do you find confusing? Yes, it is big. It is a global pandemic. It is now on of the the leading causes of death in the US. Please address reality and treat it seriously. And more mass deaths due to people ignoring basic social distancing measures will also have an economic impact. Come to terms with that.
     
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    If you can demonstrate the extreme danger you claim, you do not need to ask questions.
    Try again.
     
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    They make zero sense, that is what is confusing.

    Thank God I live in a state that is re opening and is lead by forward thinking leadership instead of the hide in a hole type leadership in so many states.

    The tide is turning on reopening at last, sanity is coming back into play as the emotion of group think fear subsides.
     
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    Again, conjecture based on inflated a rate of death. But we have seen how death rate confuses you to no end so I get your faulty logic on what would have occurred.

    But fine, then POTUS Trump saved 100,000s if not millions of lives by leading the nation into social distancing.

    Go Turmp! :)
     
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    If it is confusing, what are you having trouble understanding?
     
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    Fake news. Leading the nation on social distancing? States had already started social distancing and Trump was downplaying the threat of the virus. He eventually made the suggestion AFTER states had already taken the lead.
     
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    As testing continues and the numbers come in the death rate will most likely be far lower than 0.5 per cent.

    There is still little known about covid-19 now, but at least we have actual data rather than the far fetched erroneous models and wild predictions. There was far less known when corona started in the USA, and an overreaction was warranted for a short while. Because nobody knew jack.
     
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    At best, the death rate will be far lower (which will still put it far above the flu), but that would also mean the infection rate was far, far higher than previously known. This is now one of the leading causes of death in the US. Please stop downplaying reality.
     
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    ny's experts have already done a study that shows that 14.9% of the entire state has the antibodies, that's 2,896,630 people with it and as of 2pm 4/27/20 total deaths are 17,303 statewide...

    that is 0.5% death rate (morbidity)

    same experts state that 24.9% of nyc residents have the antibodies, again it translates to just under 0.6% morbidity...
    these figures have already been discussed by cuomo himself, during his briefings...

    either way you slice it, the morbidity rate is no where near the scaremonger's claims...

    the scare mongers are only utilizing the data of hospitalized patients to get their scary numbers...
    that's the equivalent of putting just two patients in a room and if one dies, claim a 50% morbidity rate...

    pure junk science...
     
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    I agree it's not the flu but let's be intellectually honest, the flu has a vaccine. What will Corona look like with a vaccine? Some things you can't determine as fact short term so let's call it down the middle. We're comparing a short term spike on a new unknown virus to a something that's a serial killer year in and year out with a vaccine.
     
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    The model said 2 million, who knows if that would have happened or not. We can take countries that didn't lock down and compare but it's just data in a predictive model and not a fact.
     
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    .5% is the most common number I've seen bandied about, and for quite some time. And that's still far higher than the flu. Trumpist attempts to downplay the threat of the virus simply can't be matched with reality.
     
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    Well that's certainly not true.. The state of the U.S. 6 weeks ago was Leftist media and PF leftist blaming him for not acting quick enough and now for ever popular LEFTIST flip-flop hop :)

    " Trump has Greatly screwed up and overreacted"
     
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