Was Jesus the First Republican?

Yes Greek and Roman freedom predates Christ but time starts with Jesus so he is the most important Republican.

 

The character of Diogenes was Republican using your standards in the OP and he predated Jesus by 250 years.

So clearly Diogenes should be the first Republican, not Jesus.

 

Ah, so now you move the goalposts. Make sure to message the mods and have your factually false (aka lying) OP and title changed.

 

really, any evidence or just liberal goofing again??

 

You are really going to claim most Christian theologians throughout history haven’t supported the interpretation that the Bible says Hell exists?

 

And selling it if rich, and feeding the poor, or that is the example set in Acts.

 

maybe older than Jesus in time but not in influence. Time starts with Jesus. Do you understand?

 

10 Commandments don't say sell property????

 

they would not claim to know the after life. Hubris is the original sin!! Welcome to your first lesson in Christianity. You are stuck on the literal cartoon version they teach small children. Are you a small child?

Christian beliefs about the afterlife vary between denominations and individual Christians, but the vast majority of Christians believe in some kind of heaven, in which the deceased enjoy the presence of God and loved ones for eternity. Views differ as to what is required to get to heaven, and conceptions of heaven differ as well.

A slightly smaller majority of Christians believe in hell, a place of suffering where unbelievers or sinners are punished. Views differ as to whether hell is eternal and whether its punishment is spiritual or physical. Some Christians reject the notion altogether.

Catholic Christians also believe in purgatory, a temporary place of punishment for Christians who have died with unconfessed sins.

 

Says the clay to the Potter.

 

Wait, so because Christians for nearly a thousand years suppressed all influence on society that wasn’t Christian in the West, that means anything pre-Jesus doesn’t count?

Does your back hurt from constantly moving these goalposts?

Your OP is wrong. Going by your own standard Jesus wasn’t the first Republican.

 

The Potter is an evil monster who tortured his clay.

 

Stick with what Jesus says about Hell....it's not confusing. Look to heaven and you won't need to worry about hell.

 

Sorry you feel tortured. Many do. Are you on meth?

 

Actually I don’t feel tortured at all. I don’t believe in or follow a brutal cosmic monster who is the epitome of evil.

 

it counts but not like Jesus from whom time began

 

God spoke at other times than on Mt. Sinai, don't cha know? He spoke to the followers awaiting Pentacost. You have Acts, right?

 

Somethings going on.....you really seem tortured by something you don't believe in. Don't feel alone. There are a lot of you. I think hell is something you desire. Personally....it is not very important to me.

 

What theologians, particularly?

 

The only reason “time begins” with Jesus is because of the effect of Christians having a hold on Western culture for a thousand years.

You get that not everyone in the world uses the BC/AD calendar, right?

 

They did it out of the goodness of their hearts.......not a requirement of government enforced by the point of a gun (or lance).

 

So God was in no way involved? That isn't what I understood from reading the story. God was involved for he killed the husband wife couple who held back some of the money. So he was involved, and He inspired those people to do it in the first place.

So if God created man and he created the earth and all of its resources to sustain man, apparently he left it up to man to share in the resources God gave, in order that they might live and even prosper. Or perhaps God only created those resources for a few? And not all of his creation?

Depends upon what kinda God you think God is. Devil is in the details. Literally perhaps, depending upon the details. ha ha

 

I don't believe I ever said anything about private property, except God inspired the rich within a group of many poor people, awaiting Pentacost, to sell their assets and use the money to care for the poor in the group. For it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven.

So, obviously there are no rich christians. For it is easier for the camel.....

But then when JC told people to pick up their cross and follow him, he did not set the example to the world, to be rich, did he? Quite the contrary, given the camel....ha ha ha

 

Ah, but a gov't by and for the people who are moral, would indeed care for their own poor, in the most fair and efficient manner, using that gov't by and for the people. If they actually were serious about caring for their poor. And organized effort.

The trouble comes in when some people could not give a rat's arse about the poor, and are forced by taxation to care for people they would kick to the curb if only they could. The typical rich mentality that keeps the rich, or even the selfish, out of heaven.

 

He was obviously an independent that's why they nailed him to the cross in the 2 party system the only thing worse that the other guy is an independent.