What Happens When We Stop Believing in God

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  1. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    Not surprisingly, you don't understand anything I wrote either. I never said anything about wars and Christianity, although it may be a surprise to you, but wars actually precede Christianity! Yes it's true! There were actually wars before Jesus wrote his famous, "The Gospel on the Art of War."

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    I don't want to spend pages trying to debate facts with beliefs and vis a vis. The op said what I have to say and it's for you to think about and say it's right or wrong.
     
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    Double post delete
     
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    Meaningless irrational combining of 2 completely different measuring systems.
    nonsequitur nonsense!
    Patently FALSE
    The 'CONTENT' and 'SOURCE' of 'everyones' religion is interpreted by the holder, that is the BELIEFS of the holders are 'THEIR INDIVIDUAL' interpretation of life.

    He again commits a context fallacy, what we call the basket that holds the contents (religion) is not in and of itself the contents within the basket (beliefs), the bird is claiming nonsequitur nonsense, contextonomy fallacy.

    a basket and its contents are 2 entirely different things.

    Yes 'CLONATIZATION' brought to you by liberal atheist inc.
    We think we are the Borg and in our fantasies you will be assimilated!
    Resistance is futile. :roflol:

    I just made a post 'WITH CITATIONS' in another thread that explains this in great detail HERE.
     
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    It's wrong because it isn't happening. Nobody is banning religion here. It's also wrong because these things you fear can happen with or without religion, as Hitler exemplifies.
     
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    No one is banning religion, it's being forced out by materialism and secularism. Hitler was religious?
     
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    You didn't know?

    In future if you want to make your point, use Mao or Stalin, not Hitler. They were actually atheist and Mao killed more people than Hitler too (though more by ineptitude than genocide).
     
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    In his youth. I think he changed a bit later on given what happened.
     
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    Rabbi Yaron Reuvan speaking about Hitler banning pornography & interest promoted by Jews in Germany

    https://archive.org/details/817379136044861867619285664833504307838976n

    'Degenerate Art,' at Neue Galerie, Recalls Nazi Censorship
    https://www.nytimes.com › Arts › Art & Design


    Mar 13, 2014 — Degenerate Art: The Attack on Modern Art in Nazi Germany, 1937,” a show at the Neue Galerie, is one of the few in an American museum in the ...



    if he wasnt he did a great job faking it, that bastard!!

    The problem with Hitler is certain groups made him the 'go-to-scapegoat', for anything they conjure up as evil, truth notwithstanding
     
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    Why do you think that? He was quoted saying the elimination of the Jews was for God. Hatred of Jews has a long tradition within Christiandom. Hitler had "Gott mit uns" (God with us) written on the Nazi belt buckles. The pope refused to condemn Hitler.

    But Mao was an actual atheist.
     
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    dont get fooled!

    history is always 'dictated' by the 'winner'.

    the winners always force their agenda in history and make laws to 'enforce' it

    again truth notwithstanding

    losers get thrown in jail trying to exercise freedom of speech on the subject.

    ask any german

    Literally 'all' history covers up the real underlying truth with reasoning that requires no thought and is easily digested by the masses with the intent of raising no concern for them to dig deeper, and they dont! they have diapers to change a job to deal with, why would they piss away years of their precious time checking/validating historical fact from fiction? They dont.
     
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    Lol that's funny
     
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    That is clearly NOT an answer.

    The 10c says nothing about free choice and actions. And, through history Catholics and protestants have NOT been interested in free choice.

    More tellingly, you say nothing about the total failure of mutual acceptance of the 10c in Ireland to resolve the tensions there - or in UK and other places where wars between Catholics and protestants have been huge.
     
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    Just so long as you accept that Christians have a long record of wars between themselves.

    If you think Christianity is a solution, try applying that to Ireland.
     
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    The Irish have only themselves to blame for their stupidness.
     
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    That's a dodge and nothing more.

    History includes Christians going to war with each other for explicitly religious reasons.

    You can't claim Christianity as a solution to war.
     
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    Catholics and lets call them protestants did go to war long ago. Ireland is the only place where that still goes on.
     
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    Not correct. For almost all of human history, human society was patriarchal, polytheistic, feudal, and slavery was a normal and accepted part of life. It was only in the past 500 years that *some* parts of society began to look at slavery as wrong, yet slavery still exists in some areas even today (Islam for example).

    In the past, human labor was the foundation of civilization. Empires, cities, families were built and operated on human labor. The more people you had to work for you (voluntarily or forced) , the more power you could have.

    And there was no “bill of rights” types of freedom in ancient times. Those freedoms require a certain level of technology and free time. When your every waking moment is spent simply trying to survive - collecting water, tilling land, tending livestock, building a simple structure - nobody cares about freedom of speech or freedom of religion.

    In fact, debate and dissent was dangerous. The elders survived by applying hard lessons from the past, deviations from the tried and true could mean disaster for the entire clan. Would you risk your entire close and extended family by trying something new and untested?

    The Old Testament forbids child sacrifice.


    You do know the Quakers base their religion on the Bible?
     
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    I reject your dichotomy of either believing in a magic man in the sky without proof or experiencing communism/terror/mass killing. It was secular law that put an end to the sort of things documented in the link below.

    https://markhumphrys.com/christianity.killings.html
     
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    I never said anything about Christian wars or Ireland, or Christianity being a solution. Frankly you sound a bit raving mad on this issue since you keep making up issues that I never mentioned.

    Apparently you have a lot of emotions wrapped up in this topic that I'm both unaware and have no interest in.
     
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    It does? Then why does it depict God demanding such sacrifice? For that matter, why would any God want human sacrifice to begin with? The whole religion is based on such sacrifice (of Jesus eventually).
     
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    You got your facts wrong. The first target all totalitarian societies is opposition which can be non religion group and many totalitarian societies supported religion and religion supported them.
    Communist countries did not ban religion, they ban freedom of expression and in some communist countries church served communist regime.
    The separation of religion and government is in the US Constitution. Don't confuse separation with banning.
    Any regime which is banning religious or non religious believes is bad and today most democratic countries function perfectly fine without God.

    And yes, atheism is a belief, belief that you should base your believes on facts, religion is belief based on holy books, even when facts contradict the holy books.
     
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    If you are going to "respond," then please actually read my posts first. Try again.
     
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