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What should be subsidized besides health care?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Le Chef, Apr 16, 2019.

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Absolutely. And you pay for mine.
     
    Golem, Apr 21, 2019
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    Define liberty.
     
    Capn Awesome, Apr 21, 2019
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    squidward Well-Known Member

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    You said it was my right to have healthcare.
    You said nothing about your right to make me pay for you
     
    squidward, Apr 21, 2019
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    Employer based insurance is actually a form of modern slavery
     
    kreo, Apr 21, 2019
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  5. kreo

    kreo Well-Known Member

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    because I am paying for your Medicare and I have to pay for my private insurance.
     
    kreo, Apr 21, 2019
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    There is no such law, you have made it you to justify a theft.
     
    kreo, Apr 21, 2019
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  7. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Oh.... so you actually believed that the word "human" in "human rights" meant only you?

    Yeah... that will be a funny joke to tell my barber tomorrow.
     
    Golem, Apr 21, 2019
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    What should be subsidized besides health care?

    What about Prostitution? Could be sold as away to reduce rape...
     
    nra37922, Apr 21, 2019
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  9. danielpalos

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    how about an "internship" for full body massage practice?
     
    danielpalos, Apr 21, 2019
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    Yes, it should be subsidized.
     
    kreo, Apr 21, 2019
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  11. Longshot

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    The point is that if I have a right to have my health cared for then you have a corresponding obligation to care for my health.
     
    Longshot, Apr 21, 2019
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    Actually there's a logical flaw in your argument. We know that there are a list of public and merit goods. The positive externalities created are substantial, ensuring gains for us all. This ensures an economic rationale for subsidisation. Right wingers refusing subsidisation are therefore demanding underprovision. They are then essentially pretending to use liberty, given ultimately underprovision is itself a coerced inefficiency that destroys economic well-being.
     
    Reiver, Apr 21, 2019
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    A retard might think I meant that.
     
    squidward, Apr 21, 2019
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    no such what law?
     
    squidward, Apr 21, 2019
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    He can't think that far ahead
     
    squidward, Apr 21, 2019
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  16. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    That nonsense was your point? Obvious non sequitur
     
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    Who provides it, magic fairies?
     
    squidward, Apr 21, 2019
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    The second point follows from the first. Totally logical. If I have a right, others are obliged to comply with that right. That's what a right means. Therefore, if I have a right to have my health cared for, then everyone else (including yourself) has an obligation to care for my health. That's how rights work.
     
    Longshot, Apr 21, 2019
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  20. Golem

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    Who provides healthcare? Healthcare providers! Who else?

    What kind of nonsense is this conversation trying to get to?
     
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    Those who espouse the idea of positive rights know that none of their positive rights can be enforced without violating negative rights, which are really the only viable kind of right there is. No real right can require the violation of other rights.
     
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    What nonsense! What right works that way? So if I have a right to private property, you have the obligation to provide me with private property?

    Look If you have a serious point to make, make it already. This nonsense has taken way more time than it deserves.
     
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    Golem, Apr 21, 2019
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    Compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment could solve for most of our capital problems in modern times.
     
    danielpalos, Apr 21, 2019
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    You don't have a right to private property. You have a right to not have your private property violated. Nobody owed you private property. They are simply obliged not to mess with your property.

    I thought I made my point. Positive rights cannot be enforced without violating negative rights. The only legitimate rights are negative rights.
     
    Longshot, Apr 21, 2019
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    Speaking of nonsense, you do not have the right to private property.

    BTW, You just argued against me being obligated to provide you with healthcare
     
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    squidward, Apr 21, 2019
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