What's the argument against background checks for private gun sales?

Soooo....people can go to war, use guns, and die for their country at age 18, but can't own a gun until they're 21? Should we also raise the age to join the military to 21? Think the Feds will agree to that?

 

Sorry, doesn't work that way Constitutionally.

 

If I buy a gun from a local dealer, its a intrastate transaction, but a BGC is still required.

That is not a good argument to say private sales could not be completed at a dealer.

 

It is not a loophole of any sort as it was consciously and deliberately written into the law. The constitution protects individual liberty and rights so a sale/purchase of a firearm by an individual (private) is considered protected under the Constitution.

 

If they actually guess I am the person who sold the gun, I will simply deny it. If they try to use strong arm tactics, I will sue them.

 

Determine what? Talk about what?

 

So you do not believe in the rule of law.

 

No. I am explaining why universal background checks are impossible to enforce.

 

You assume all law-abiding citizens would suddenly stop respecting the law because........why? Because its too inconvenient to complete your gun sale at a dealer? Speak for yourself. Most law-abiding citizens would continue to abide by the law, and it would make it harder for criminals to get guns.

 

No law is possible to enforce by that reasoning.

 

The law abiding will do obey the law. The criminals will not.

 

You are missing the point. Currently the law-abiding are selling guns to criminals, because there is no requirement to check if the buyer is a criminal or not. A buyer is a buyer. The sellers are not breaking any laws. However, if there was a legal requirement for them to complete the sale at a dealer, then the criminals would have to find another way to get their guns. Its not complicated.

 

None of that changes the simple fact that all anyone has to do is simply ignore the law and the chances of being convicted of anything are nil.

 

You assume that law-abiding gun owners are willing to violate the law for no gain. Projection? Most people are more honest than that, and that enough to make a difference. They are called "law abiding" for a reason. If some are willing to break the law, and sell to criminals, then shame on them.

 

because "simply denying it" work's so well for drug dealers and such?

 

Where in the second amendment does it say background checks are required? I seem to remember something about shall no be infringed

 

The second amendment doesn't say anything about age either. I guess we are violating the constitution by not allowing toddlers to buy guns.

 

Finally, a lib who has actually read the second and knows what it says. Refreshing.

 

Seems only fair to me

 

But the dealer is an interstate business. That is what matters.

Prove that a private sale was done. It relies completely on an honor system. Unless you institute a registration system. The two have to go hand in hand.

 

Sure, such honor system would make it much harder for criminals to find guns, because most gun owners wouldn't mind abiding by the law. Some bad apples would still sell to criminals, and by doing so they would become criminals themselves. Tut-tut.

 

So make people criminals.....why? Most criminals get their guns through theft or illegal gun dealers. Not private sales. In any case you're going to have to prove that the gun was sold through a private sale. How are you going to do that? The vast majority of straw purchases aren't even prosecuted. And you expect this to make some sort of difference? Or be handled differently?

Here's a better idea. Keep people in prison until such time as they can prove that they will not go back to a criminal lifestyle. Then when/if let out, they get their full Rights back. Of course to do that you'll have to reform our Justice System from one of punishment, to one of rehabilitation.

Out of both of these systems....your idea vs mine....which do you think will benefit society more?

 

I’m on the fence about raising military age because recruitment is about getting kids out of HS, so from a practical standpoint, that’s a lot of lost soldiers.

 

They aren't about checking background it's about the ATF gathering data.

Wise people wouldn't do any background checks. Here in lies the issue you'll require them to do it the only ones who will are the ones who don't have to worry about so there isn't really much point.

Essentially it's an unenforceable law. Good service no purpose except for data collection.