What's the argument against background checks for private gun sales?

I can't regulate any of it have you ever heard of drug use in the US that is interstate commerce that they can't touch they're just too incompetent. Also nothing stops me from going across the state line purchasing a firearm in a different state and bringing it back there's no way to enforce that unless you search every single traveler which is a violation of the Fourth amendment.

 

It's unenforceable without a national registry and a national registry is the next step to confiscation.

 

yes they would they cannot buy from the people's stupid enough to do background checks and find an ample amount of people that want to do it.

At this point the ATF doesn't know who has what guns. If we sell them without cutting them in on it whether it's technically legal or not they still don't know. Only only stupid people blab to the government about what they have

Well that would be against the point because really what it's all about is the ATF knowing who has what guns.

You are not to have that information so that you're forced to call and make contact with the ATF so they can write down your name serial numbers and so forth.

That's the only point the pirate sales background checks and the thing to do with ghost guns.

 

More than that it's just a scam so the ATF can get information.

 

When I say "Uncle", I mean "Uncle Sam", and I mean there are some out there who don't want the Feds (or their States) to know what they've got. When I used to live in NY State, a gun-hating newspaper or TV network or something like that got their hands on all the names and addresses of people who had CCW licenses. Or maybe it was all gun owners, it's been awhile and I don't remember all the details, but here's the point...

They published them. I didn't have a carry permit when I lived there because I wasn't a personal friend of the Mayor, so my name and address didn't get published, but imagine the ramifications... Losing your job because your boss doesn't like guns, and you were "on the list", or having it used against you in a divorce custody hearing, or having some crazy gun hater just show up at your home with evil on their mind.

And then there's the biggest reason to not want Uncle knowing if or how armed you are, and that's if the day ever comes that the left's wet dream finally comes true and they send out the brownshirts to take away what they think you have. If that ever happens, there will be blood, and if it happens nationwide, it's one of those "triggers" that could literally start a new Civil War.

 

The gun show loophole it's a scare tactic, like the term assault weapon or ghost gun or the latest version of that military style weapons.

All of these terms don't really mean anything so just meant to scare people who don't know any better.

There is no loophole at a gun show there's no loophole at all. If I buy a gun from my neighbor, and if my neighbor isn't a federally licensed firearm dealer we don't have to do a background check.

This is commerce between any two people anywhere.

I've had background checks done on me when I purchase a new gun and it's not about determining whether or not I'm fit to have a firearm it's about recording serial numbers and names. They don't go through a strenuous process to make sure I really am the person I say I am so I could be using my brother's identity for the person who's precise still in the parking lots identity there's no effort to detect that so it's not about making sure only the right people get guns it's about making sure we're collecting information.

Ignorance. And I don't mean this is a put down generally people don't know what goes into a background check I don't check your criminal record they don't do any of that all they do is see if there's any entrance in the NICS database if they even do that not sure that they do.

 

That's because they aren't really background checks. They're just a quick look for priors. If real background checks were done it might actually have some impact on gun crime.

And because I know you're gonna ask:

Real background checks would be more like something you would go through for a security clearance, just a bit less intense. Lets call some references, talk to former employers, and take a more than casual look at social media stuff. This doesn't mean we shouldn't look at criminal records as well, of course.

 

Out of sheer coincidence I ran across one of those "get a background check on anybody" websites, so naturally I had to look myself up. Well, it showed a red flag on me about criminal records. Of course, I would have had to pay to find out what those "criminal records" were, and I didn't feel like rewarding them for essentially slandering me, so I didn't. However, I have as perfect of a record as you can have. Never been arrested, never been convicted, never even seen the inside of a jail cell except when I was a kid and my dad would take me there (he did water treatment work for them, and I did technically work for him....) to scare me into not going there again.

The absolute WORST "criminal" thing you even might find on my record is a speeding ticket or two, but even counting that, the last one was (amazingly, I'll admit) more than 20 years ago. First rule is to never be the fastest car on the road. 2nd fastest is fine, but it's always the one guy who's doing 10 mph more than even us regular speeders who gets pinched.

Bottom line is, unless you hire an actual PI to run a background check on someone, don't trust those sites. They make money by freaking people like me out when you see a "red flag" about this or that, which is not exactly true. Best I can guess is unless it's just flat out made up, after I became disabled I walked away from some debt. But I never got sued, just had the debt sold to debt collectors. I guess it just wasn't enough to make it worth it for my creditors. But even most of not all of that is gone off my credit by now, too...

 

If someone else in the thread already covered this stuff then allow me to apologize in advance.

1. In order for any BGC to be viable you would need to make sure that all firearms in the system are registered. With a few hundred million guns out there that just isn't going to happen. Heck, you've got tons of people that don't even know they have guns! Families find stuff in grandpa's attic or basement all the time after he dies and grandpa never said a thing.
2. Enforcing something like this would be insane. If the guns in question aren't registered then neighbor A could (and likely would) sell his gun to Buddy B and just ignore the requirement. If nobody knows the guns in question exist then nobody can possibly check on the deal.
3. This is the big one for me; It's nobody's doggone business what I do with my property unless and until I do something criminal with it. I straight up don't trust the government with knowledge of what guns I might own. If I bought them through an FFL then I have conceded that they can (and probably do) know that I have THAT gun. If they don't know about the other 5 (or 50) then that's fine by me!

 

Yea, I guess the founders and African warlords both think the militia includes child soldiers.

 

Well we also have to keep in mind that a national firearms registry is illegal. Gun control act of 1934 made it that way so if we have a registry then we should also be allowed to have machine guns that was the compromise.

 

You believe that law abiding citizens will be forced to be criminals if the law states that they must sell their weapon at a dealer who can provide a background check? If this so called law abiding citizen decides not to follow the law if such a law existed, that makes them a criminal from their own decisions.

I agree with Pro Line here, this isn't difficult to follow.

 

Right, kind of.

The NFA required registration of firearms subject to that act. It wasn't until the FOPA in 1986 that the prohibition of a federal registry of non-NFA firearms came about. There is, however, a little wiggle room in that because the ATF does have a large catalogue of gun "records" but "records", legally, aren't a "registry".

 

They aren't supposed to even have a database

 

Right. That, however, isn't the only thing the government does that it isn't supposed to do and that's why #3 is on my list!

 

It'll be law if the Commiecrats pass the bills coming up in a few days.

 

Yeeeaahhhh...that isn't going to happen. 10-20 million background checks per year is what happens. You'd have to have an extremely large force to handle all those in a timely manner.

 

If the government made it illegal to say the "N" word people would no doubt comply. After all, its a horrible slur. EXCEPT those that believe it violates their 1st Amendment Right. It would be criminalizing them for no good reason. Same applies here.

And before you holler about limitations on 2nd Amendment and all...you should know that this goes far beyond the second amendment. It would also involve the 3rd, 4th, and 5th Amendments. All of which the Right to Privacy is determined to be from.

 

Yep, it is.

 

And if the Republicans get in they won't counter it.

 

Make? People choose to break laws, so they make themselves criminals. Don't want to have any criminals at all? Easy, remove all laws.

How do you know that? Private sellers are a good and reliable source of guns for criminals.

Prove what and to who?

Sure seems like mine is a clear winner.

 

Freedom of speech doesn't mean there are no consequences for your speech.

As far as the 2nd amendment is concerned, I believe the word "regulated" is written in it as well.

 

Why? This doesn't happen when buying from a dealer does it?

What does this have to do with background checks?

Well if everyone had this attitude, then there would be no gun dealers would there! The guns are their property before they sell them.

 

Are "ghost guns" not real?

Yeah, that's why they should at least be honest and call it "the private sale loophole."

Are you suggesting that there are federal and/or state database/s which have names with serial numbers?

WTF? Photo ID is not required to buy a gun which requires a background check?

 

How would the Feds (or their States) know what they've got as a result of private gun sale background checks?