Where Progressives are going with the statue removals

MLK was a communist and a traitor.

Robert E. Lee was a freedom fighter who sought to liberate his people from a tyrannical government.

 

Please: Define and then demonstrate Virginia's "racist authoritarianism" against the the US.

 

So if these monuments are REALLY about "history"...then where are the monuments to Sherman and Grant?

Certainly not in the South

 

Meaning seceding from the US and then warring against it in order to defend the "right" to treat those of another race as property.

 

So... where's the State of Virginia's "authoritarianism" and "racism"?

 

Owning people is authoritarian. Doing so based on race is racism.

 

You want to know why you did not get challenged? While your argument that the south rejected the constitution is true, guess what they did? They created a new constitution with particular modifications.

This country has added two states since my birth. I do not recall those states taking an oath to the USA. I don't recall any state swearing an oath of allegiance to the rest of the states.

We will be just like ISIS by ripping off history and pretending it did not happen. I learned much more about Robert E. Lee once I started to study him in the 1990's in depth and visited sites of his battles. It gave me a new appreciation of what happened in those war days. It made me look at Lincoln different. I saw his warts, his flaws. I saw Lees as well and seeing those giant statues made me proud other Americans commissioned them. They did not run away from history. I saw the damage done by ISIS and don't plan to act as they do.

 

The state of Virginia did not own anyone. Please show the authoritarianism.
The slave code of Virginia did not specify a race.
https://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/_An_act_concerning_Servants_and_Slaves_1705
So...?

 

That right was contained in the constitution all along. And the war was not fought by Lincoln over them. He wanted to deport them.

Abe claimed he did not start war due to slavery. While Ft. Sumter did get fired at, the men inside were unharmed. We don't start wars due to property that I know of. And the power of those cannon were meager. In the fort, Major Anderson and his men were very safe.

Abe on his part massed 75,000 troops to wage war and had them enter VA. That is actual war as many of us see it. Abe had no war on his hands until he invaded VA.

 

That "right" was a contradiction. And I'm not talking about Lincoln's motivations. I'm talking about the South's motivations. I've stated several times that I do not believe Lincoln went to war for the primary purpose of freeing the slaves. But the South seceded for the primary purpose of preserving slavery.

The fort was federal property.

 

"The people of Virginia in their ratification of the Constitution of the United States of America, adopted by them in convention on the twenty-fifth day of June, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, having declared that the powers granted under said Constitution were derived from the people of the United States and might be resumed whensoever the same should be perverted to their injury and oppression, and the Federal Government having perverted said powers not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern slave-holding States"

And no one can honestly argue that blacks were not the target of racially-based slavery.
http://www.history.org/history/teaching/slavelaw.cfm

 

If you believe that alienated Americans can reject the US Constitution, and make up something else to suit their fancy, you are wrong. That is not legal.

Your hyperbolic prediction notwithstanding, removing monuments from US public land, mostly erected by racists during the Jim Crow and Civil Rights eras, to individuals who turned on the United States, rejected its Constitution, and killed US soldiers and sailors to perpetuate keeping families in bondage for profit, and extending that vile practice into new territories, does not, in any way, censor or alter the historical record. Revisionism does that.

 

However you call it, even the Supreme Court of the USA declared Slavery is legal. Such was the law at that time.

There are

Documents exist saying the South intended to keep slavery by seceding. I don't think that is even in dispute. What seems a dispute is the war. Abe massed 75,000 for combat. And he invaded VA.

As legal as slavery was, as little of it in the North as there was, the North had no valid cause to invade VA. They had a sounder case to invade South Carolina than other states, but Abe invaded many states.

I don't believe we can find such authority to invade states.

 

Where are they going with statue removals? "Progressive" means "Offended by everything". They get so butthurt by statues that they need to go. Much like free speech

 

Perhaps you will just cite the law or quote the provision saying states are banned from seeding. Let the movement in CA know today they are wrong to seek voter permission to secede and show them the law.

I defend the South seceding based on their residents holding for the vote and once the decision was rendered, following instructions by the states citizens. I hold that right greater than a collective saying the states can't secede upon vote by the states public.

 

It definitely makes me very happy that I don't fit that definition of "Progressive".

Kneejerk SJWs give the Democratic Party a bad name.

 

And they don't mind at all offending others to reach their goals. We are headed to a police state if we allow progressives to win.

 

What is a SJW?

 

But it is moral. It is always moral to oppose tyranny.

 

I heard that.

 

Actually, those were erected by Democrats for the main part. Democrats fought the USA. But you still support them I believe at any rate.

 

Google is your friend.

 

Fine, never ask me anything.

 

The State of VA did not own slaves. Still waiting for you to demonstrate the authoritarianism of the state of Virginia.

VA slave laws did not designate a race. Still waiting for you to demonstrate the state of Virginia's racism.