Whites OBJECTIVELY Have Less Rights than Minorities

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  1. ShadowX

    ShadowX Well-Known Member

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    So if you don’t care about discrimination against white people that occurs TODAY, why should we care about discrimination against black people that occurred years ago?
     
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    Any white contractor suffers because his competition gets government tax credits paid to their employers on their behalf that white contractors don’t provide simply because they’re white.
     
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    And poor whites commit disproportionate crimes compared to middle class blacks.
     
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    You are misrepresenting the paper. It concludes: "Together, the results suggest that when it comes to wealth and incarceration outcomes, the disadvantages of being black or Hispanic compound the disadvantages of asset poverty". Now reference to disadvantage does of course point towards continued discrimination. The effects of discrimination are repeatedly acknowledged in criminology. Consider, for example, Sampson et al. (2018, REASSESSING “TOWARD A THEORY OF RACE, CRIME, AND URBAN INEQUALITY”: Enduring and New Challenges in 21st Century America. Du Bois Review: Social Science Research on Race, 15(1), 13-34. doi:10.1017/S1742058X18000140):


    In “Toward a Theory of Race, Crime, and Urban Inequality,” Sampson and Wilson (1995) argued that racial disparities in violent crime are attributable in large part to the persistent structural disadvantages that are disproportionately concentrated in African American communities. They also argued that the ultimate causes of crime were similar for both Whites and Blacks, leading to what has been labeled the thesis of “racial invariance.” In light of the large scale social changes of the past two decades and the renewed political salience of race and crime in the United States, this paper reassesses and updates evidence evaluating the theory. In so doing, we clarify key concepts from the original thesis, delineate the proper context of validation, and address new challenges. Overall, we find that the accumulated empirical evidence provides broad but qualified support for the theoretical claims. We conclude by charting a dual path forward: an agenda for future research on the linkages between race and crime, and policy recommendations that align with the theory’s emphasis on neighborhood level structural forces but with causal space for cultural factors.
     
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    White farmers and business owners suffer by having to compete with EVERYONE for grants and loans while minorities only have to compete with one another for taxpayer funds while excluding white farmers and business owners.
     
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    But poor blacks commit a disproportionate amount compared to poor white. And middle class blacks commit a disproportionate amount than middle class whites. And rich blacks commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime than rich whites.
     
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    I know how you feel. When I go into a bathroom and there is a separate stall very roomy for a disabled person I find that absolute discrimination. (Sarcasm alert)
     
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    No sir. Again. I don’t care about their hypothesis for WHY it occurs that they provide with literally ZERO supporting evidence as to why.

    I only care about the empirical data they collected. And the empirical data shows that at EVERY level of income blacks commit a disproportionate level of violent crime. PLEASE explain to me how poverty explains that issue.
     
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    Again....white people aren't being discriminated against as white people still have no problems securing loans. Not sure why you aren’t getting this. Oh right, because you enjoy being a victim.
     
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    That is not true!. Those stats are made up by you
    Well if you want to use statistics MEN commit disproportionate amount of crime compared to women ...what’s your point? ..
     
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    Every race can use that handicapped stall.

    But every race can’t use black only dorms and safe spaces. I guess segregation is fine when white people are getting the short end of the stick. Right?
     
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    You poor victim. Must be so hard on you being able to secure loans.
     
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    So it would not be discrimination for us to start a program that gave white people loans but excluded black peoples as long as blacks could get loans elsewhere?
     
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    So? Blacks In The past couldn’t compete with anyone and how do you suggest leveling the playing field?White business owners have all kinds of connections so don’t feel sorry for them
     
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    Amazing how you don’t understand the power of bigotry that we have had for hundreds of years. So sad
     
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    aka The Legacy of the U.S. Slave Trade
     
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    Referring to a paper that doesn't support your spurious conclusion really isn't cunning!

    Its not difficult. Deterrence analysis, for example, refers to crime in terms of cost-benefit analysis. Benefits will highlight the distinction between legitimate and illegitimate activity. If there are reduced economic opportunities, there will be higher chance that crime will be attractive. If you don't control for these type of factors then you are not making a credible argument. Its even worse here as discrimination, as highlighted by the research, will increase the risk of criminal activity. Its essentially a negative externality.
     
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    You poor victim. Must be so hard on you being able to own corporations.
     
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    You poor victim. Must be so hard on you being able to control banks.
     
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    There’s no need to do that because whites have no problems getting loans. How are you not getting this?
     
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    The fact they have the same income level addresses the claim of lack of economic opportunity. Otherwise the statistics wouldn’t be true for rich blacks. But they are
     
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    I’m sorry? Blacks can’t own corporations?
     
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    Again, you are not referring to a statistical analysis capable of making non-spurious conclusion. Indeed, I don't think you really appreciate the basics of such analysis. This is clearly illustrated by pretending a paper agrees with your view when it says: "Furthermore, racial discrimination in the justice system (Moore and Elkavich 2008; Petersilia 1983; Zatz 1987) compounds the wealth disadvantage that blacks and Hispanics already face"; "Even within the same groups, discrimination is harsher toward those with more Afrocentric features (Blair et al. 2004)"; "even death-sentencing outcomes also have a key discriminatory dimension (Eberhardt et al. 2006; Unah 2011)".

    All you've managed to achieve so far is to point to continued discrimination in the criminal 'justice' system.
     
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    There’s no problem with blacks getting loans today either. You’re talking about years, decades ago.
     
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    Because disparities in the justice system is easily explained. Blacks get more severe sentencing because they’re more likely to commit a violent crime with a firearm, to do so with a prior record and to not hire an attorney. This is well-documented. And their continued excuses of racism over and over again in NO away shape or form even remotely explains the grossly disproportionate amount of violent crime.

    Please provide any evidence otherwise.
     

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