Whites OBJECTIVELY Have Less Rights than Minorities

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  1. CCitizen

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    In Modern Western World, there is a lot of discrimination against men. Men accused of Sexual Misconduct are presumed Guilty. Men get 63% longer sentences for the same crime. Hate Speech against men is acceptable in the most respectable media such as NYT.

    Are white men singled out for particularly severe discrimination? I do not think so.

    If a white man and a minority man commit the same crime, the minority man will get 15% longer sentence.
     
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    well if it is (which I would need more proof it's actually occurring) it needs to be stopped as that is ridiculous

    could be this da is like Trump, says stupid stuff, but doesn't actually get to do it
     
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    Many feminists support policy disproportionally penalizing all males -- the group representing 49% of population and committing 89% violent crime. That is popular in 2019. The policies you mention were popular before 1960s. Each Era has its favorite bigotry.

    But punishing all representatives of a birth group for crimes of a few of them is evil.

    I am neither African American nor European American -- I am Jewish.
     
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    would that be called black privilege?

    I think we help the poor of all races equally..... regardless of race
     
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    I gave you a link

    If you want more you can easily google it with the info you have
     
  6. CCitizen

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    In USA poor people of all races receive very very little help. There are more poor people among minorities.
     
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    A great deal more help than in many countries, and more opportunity than any.
     
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    I am fine with your link, but I will also take it with a grain of salt as actually being implemented anywhere, if it is, I agree it should stop

    I can post to things Trump has said, but that doesn't mean it's actually true and happening
     
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    not sure that is true, a larger percent of minorities, but totals is a different matter, that said, regardless, why should it matter the color of ones skin if they are worthy of help or not
     
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    Nope. Positive discrimination simply reduces the inefficiency and inequity associated with discriminatory practices. It can't, for example, eliminate white nepotism.
     
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    Sasha baron cohen (borat). Did a show where he was supposedly test marketing a new brown mayonnaise. The stuff was supposed to increase the melanin in people who ate it.... giving the the appearance of being tanned. The prank was ultimately presented by a black actor, and the white folks who had eaten the brown mayonnaise were casually informed that they might get as dark as the black presenter. Unsurprisingly, they were not thrilled at the idea they may now turn black... despite the many obvious advantages of such a transformation
     
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    disagree, we all rise or fall together regardless of our race, we should not only help poor black children, we should help all poor children equally
     
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    Whether you agree or don't is irrelevant. Discrimination exists and positive discrimination has been found to reduce the problem. It's a purely objective analysis into the phenomena.
     
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    I'm not 'mad'... it would take a lot more than that for me to get angry.

    I just don't see treating anyone who is a human as anything less than an equal. Exceptions apply if they voluntarily harm other humans or animals.

    SJW live to be offended, and fall into my exceptions pile.

    That slogan is pinned up right next to Leghorn's "Boy I say Boy, you're about to exceed the limitations of my medication'.
     
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    So the EU version of Affirmative Action, is not a form of discrimination? Am I understanding your statement correctly? Please explain how that is possible, since in and of it's self, it is very specifically a form of discrimination.
     
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    Reading between the lines I think you know its real and just prefer not to aknowledge it
     
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    AA is the PC language. Positive discrimination is the economic term. Of course its a form of discrimination; the clue is in the name. However, its an aspect of the second best. Given zero discrimination is not available, discrimination in favour of socio-economic groups improves both efficiency (as, given the law of large numbers, average ability will rise) and equity (given the overall discriminatory outcomes are narrowed)
     
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    As a lifelong white man of almost 65 years, I can attest to all of the heartache and humiliation I have been subjected to by the evil colored masses who control this society. Enough is enough!!!
     
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    So you are comfortable with the idea that a target group is, and likely will continue to be, discriminated against to force a situation of 'equality' that may or may not actually exist.

    While I am not a member of the presumed target group at this time, I am a member of a related group, which will be the next target. No longer will it matter about ability, if one will force the issue to disregard the other, and efficacy is completely unrelated to anything other than the ideal based solely and wholly upon a factor of which no party involved has any control.

    Yeah, no thanks. I would rather find myself excluded because I don't know the material, then because of the pigmentation of my skin. And I will bite my tongue regarding people who are insulting virtually every non-white person out there that they cannot succeed otherwise.
     
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    Equality to lefties means equal outcomes

    It a socislist concept
     
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    I'm not comfortable with discrimination. Sitting on your hands and just muttering 'we have equal pay legislation' is tacit acceptance of discrimination. That isn't opinion. That's the result of a considerable literature into discrimination (from Oaxaca-Ransom decomposition onwards).

    Actually it is about ability. Positive discrimination, given it reduces the impact of discriminatory outcomes, will certainly increase average ability. You have to assume blacks are inferior to argue otherwise.

    Again, your opinion isn't particularly important; neither is mine. We know that positive discrimination works. It reduces, for example, inefficient wage differentials.
     
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    I would just like to point out, not ONE leftist has even remotely said these types of things are wrong. One is arguing it’s not discrimination. The vast are arguing it doesn’t matter if it’s discrimination because white people discriminated against blacks in the past and one is actually arguing it’s a good thing we discriminate against whites because that discrimination lessens the perceived discrimination against other groups.

    But at the end of the day they all hold the same position. Not only is it acceptable in this country to discriminate against whites, but government sponsored, systemic discrimination against white people should be promoted as a way to deal with implicit discrimination against other races which they claim is unacceptable.
     
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    You say you are not comfortable with discrimination, yet you support 'positive discrimination', which supposedly does just that, and claims joy for improved statistics based on... ability.

    The validity of such an argument is wholly based on claiming an apple equals an orange, to be polite about it. You cannot force the activity in one petri dish and stunt the other and claim equal outcomes. The absurdity of whomever put that gem together needs to be drug tested.
     
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    Its based on two aspects: the continued existence of discrimination despite passive policies; the empirical evidence that these policies work and reduce the problem.
     
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    In USA 27 million people have no health insurance. All poor people are treated atrociously. Most poor people are minority -- thus white people do not suffer any significant discrimination.

    About 70,000 people per year die from drugs. All these people could not find help for their problems.
     

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