Who poisoned our culture and sexualised our children?

It is false dichotomy. When you present someone with two loaded choices, it is, by it's very definition, a false dichotomy.

 

I would argue most of why Norway is a nice place to live is the lack of desperation. Poverty gives rise to most crime -- including rape.

Granted, with rape, it's more of an indirect link to poverty. Growing up in a poor household often involves abuse. Children who are sexually abused often later become abusers themselves -- whether with their own kids or with adults.

Most of why Sweden's rape rates are high comes from 2 factors:

1) the definition of sexual assault is much broader there than in most other countries. It is far easier for a woman to accuse a man of rape there than in most other countries, and many would suggest the definition is too broad and gives the accused very few rights.

2) Sweden counts rapes differently from most countries. They count the number of incidents of rape rather than the number of victims or rapists. For example, if a woman reports that her husband has repeatedly raped her for a year, they record every instance of it according to her testimony.

In most other countries, this would be counted as one rape in statistics, because there is only one victim and one rapist. In effect, Sweden's method of recording rape skews the per capita ratio.

By the way, this also shows how unreliable the recording of crime can be.

Saudi Arabia has a pretty low rape rate, but most of the reason for that is because rape victims are punished in addition to rapists. Naturally, most women are reluctant to report rape under those conditions.

 

Aftermath[edit source]

The report's recommendations attracted considerable public debate, including a famous exchange of views in publications by Lord Devlin, a leading British judge, whose ideas and publications argued against the report's philosophical basis, and H.L.A. Hart, a leading jurisprudential scholar, who provided argument in its support.

In The Enforcement of Morals, Patrick Devlin, Baron Devlin states that the Wolfenden Report "is recognized to be an excellent study of two very difficult legal and social problems".[3] Devlin attacks the principle, derived from John Stuart Mill's On Liberty, that the law ought not concern itself with "private immorality", saying that the Report "requires special circumstances to be shown to justify the intervention of the law. I think that this is wrong in principle".[4]

The recommendations eventually led to the passage of the Sexual Offences Act 1967, applying to England and Wales only, that replaced the previous law on sodomy contained in the Offences against the Person Act 1861 and the 1885 Labouchere Amendment which outlawed every homosexual act short of sodomy. The law was only passed a decade after the report was published in 1957.

The historian Patrick Higgins has described a number of flaws with the Report: "its failure to understand or appreciate (except in the most negative terms) the importance of the homosexual subculture".[1]:89

It later became known that Wolfenden's son Jeremy Wolfenden was gay.

John Wolfenden came 45th in a list of the top 500 lesbian and gay heroes, Pink Paper (500), 26 September 1997, p. 19.
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Read more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfenden_report

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The Wolfenden Report

New York: Stein & Day (1963)

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from Brongersma 1990

The most dangerous enemy of homophiles is the semi-homophile struggling against one important part of his sexual nature (Sect. 24).

The adult in having sex with the child places him in a situation over which he has no control and of which he cannot forsee the consequences (Sect. 71).

The British Wolfenden Committee, certainly not a public body bent on minimizing sexual problems, stated "that cases in which physical injury results from the act of buggery are rare" even where the passive partner is young (Sect. 85).

...wonders at boy "victims" showing so little resentment. (Sect.95)

Treatment of a pedophile suffering from the effects of society's condemnation will be directed toward curing the patient of his internalized self-hate and helping him to accept his own nature (Sect. 193-194)

... in alleged cases of a child being traumatized, no importance could be attached to the kind of sexual practice used, nor were homosexual incidents in themselves more traumatic than heterosexual ones. The same opinion was voiced in a reservation added to the Wolfenden Report (p.202)

Read more:
http://www.newgon.com/prd/lib/Wolfenden1963.html

Perhaps this will give you the impetus to read more regarding the lasting effects the Wolfenden Report has had on British and American society's sexuality and its change of moral values.

 

Well if that is true, then clearly this is a notion alien to my vision of Europe, indeed, to all human and moral standards.

 

Some of it can be tied to that. A lot of the immigrants that cause problems are poor and come from cultures that treat women badly.

I would argue the legal differences have more of an effect than immigration.

 

Well, I guess to determine this, we would have to look at rape in Sweden, then(as best as possible), see if non ethnic Swedes make up a higher than average %.

If they do, then they are a large part of the problem, coming as they do from less civil society.

At which point, Sweden would need to swallow its pride and decant those that drag its civil society down.

 

If I were Swedish, I would support more restricted immigration, but it has less to do with rape specifically than with just reducing cultural conflict.

Basically, you don't want large numbers of theocratic people entering your country, and that's what happens when you let in Islamists.

Not all Muslims are Islamist, but quite a few are, and that's problematic for any society that wants to maintain secular law.

 

Get rid of them.

For goodness sake, if any left leaning limp wristed liberal rocks by here and tells me that Norway should do anything other than STOP LETTING THESE PEOPLE IN, and BOOT OUT THOSE THAT ARE THERE, then I would know for sure that whatever side they are on, it's not the good side.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bf5_1378821043

 

No.

Listen to what the police in Norway said for goodness sake.

This is not 'cultural conflict', well actually, you are right, it is, manifesting in rapes and brutality for the host people.

A nation would have to be INSANE to entertain this and not act on the CLEAR evidence that is in front of their nose.

Indeed, I consider it treason for Gov to know such things, and permit it, for the first role of Gov is to protect its own people.

They clearly are not, since they are permitting these bastards in, knowing what they know.

Therefore, it is on purpose.

 

You're referring to this, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7t5ZffkA0A

I posted that in another thread a few months ago, and Alexa debunked it. I don't always agree with him, but he was right on this.

Nevertheless, while letting in asylum seekers can certainly lead to problems, we have to be careful how much we buy into some of the things that get thrown out there statistically.

 

Alexa who?

And what do you mean 'debunked it'.

For crying out loud, what more do these egalitarian fools want. Are they TRULY expecting people like you and I to believe that Norway, for no reasons at all, decided to hire a bunch of actors to play the part of police officers, to make statements that are entirely false?

If so, then imo, anyone that holds to that position has an agenda, and that agenda clearly facilitates the rape and brutalisation of more women in their own lands.

Disgusting imo.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/showt...&p=1062769887&highlight=norway#post1062769887

At the time, I didn't believe him, but I followed up on what he posted.

You'd be interested in knowing the people who pushed this spin about Muslims in Norway were Jewish. I don't think that's particularly significant in this, but I know how you view that group.

 

Nothing personal, Serfo old bean, but now that I know who you are speaking of, it doesn't surprise me.(so let's move on from that member..)

They really would have us believe that Norwegians, and other Europeans, would get some sort of kitty together, and from this kitty we would hire a team of pretend police officers, to report on pretend rapes, that just never happened at all.

In their minds, rape is okay, so long as the rapist is a 'traumatised asylum seeker', from some third world hole.

In their minds, to even collate stats that prove beyond doubt this beastly behaviour, is enough for them to reach for their 'shut down the dialogue style' put downs and labels, as if we are just meant to sit back and turn the other cheek as our countries as filled with rapists and 'traumatised' asylum seekers.

And what's in it for us, the host nation?

Nada. Nothing. Zero. It degrades and corrodes, and with that of that in mind, anyone, anywhere, that gives vocal or tacit approval to MORE of these poor hard done by rapists being poured into Europe, must be seen as an enemy of Europe and the host nation itself. That would be logical, is it not?

And yes, I was well aware that the Jews are behind all third world immigration into the US and Europe.

They have been at it since the 60's, and they are still doing it today.

It's not that it 'just so happens' to be Jews, as the leftists want you to believe(if they admit it at all), how many times does a thing need to 'just so happen'?

When you have the VP(no matter if you think he a fool) saying outright that it was Jews who are at the forefront of pouring third world immigrants in, and not a single Jewish group contradicts him(that I know of), and when you can establish in under two hours all the Jewish legislators and other bodies, spanning 50yrs+ that have pushed this, how the heck can anyone deny it, unless they are knowingly denying it, in which case they are being dishonest.

And since they are well aware of the social implications to US and our people, what they are doing is on purpose, and spiteful.

Esp since Jews don't seem so keen on third world immigration into the Jewish state.


[video=youtube;k2Vq_e2Z1ug]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Vq_e2Z1ug&feature=player_detailpage[/video]

 

It doesn't matter if you believe facts prove it.

 

Show me your 'facts'.

 

http://www.livescience.com/7088-history-human-sex.html. Read here to start

 

@Serf.

Come on man, I am WELL aware of morons like the Jew Pamela Gellar, her tricks are about as transparent as her namesake Uri Geller.

They are simply doing what Jewish agitators do - agitate. This is ONE of the reasons they historically create antipathy towards them, for agitators are not much liked in the end, not when people finally figure out who the common denominator is.

But there is also without doubt an agenda to almost airbrush crimes against whites and Europeans, and even when you give these supposed 'do gooders' and commies examples and mainstream sources, even then they would rather stay silent and let the rapes, the murders, and the persecution of the host nation go unmentioned, as long as their non English speaking asylum buddies can come in and ruin us.

Has it really got to the stage where Americans must rely on Glen Beck(who I have no time for), to demonstrate at least a token gesture of investigative journalism?

[video=youtube;qIUIUqPYbng]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qIUIUqPYbng[/video]


Can we really let these 'do gooders' snear at this any more, how long before we see them as 'do badders'?

Racial murders: nearly half the victims are white

Home Office release official figures as police claim that political correctness is stifling the debate

"Senior police officers have admitted that 'political correctness’ and the fear of discussing the issue have meant that race crime against white people goes under-reported. One chief constable has claimed that white, working-class men are more alienated than the Muslim community.

"Peter Fahy, the Chief Constable of Cheshire and a spokesman on race issues for the Association of Chief Police Officers, said it was a fact that it was harder to get the media interested where murder victims were young white men.'The political correctness and reluctance to discuss these things absolutely does play a factor’, he said. 'A lot of police officers and other professions feel almost the best thing to do is try and avoid it for fear of being criticised. "

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/oct/22/ukcrime.race

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Pick out something specific and relate it to anything in the OP.

 

I don't have to. Someone said we were always promiscuous and you said you didn't think that was true and I just posted a link showing that you should think again. But like a coward who can't admit he was wrong you try to deflect by suggesting I refer back to the OP. Your OP is bigoted nonsense as you suggest that "the Jews" as if we all think the same way, are trying to destroy the culture. We know that prostitution and sexual excess was part of the ancient world because we have literature, painting etc. from the ancient world talking about it. In fact the British haters of human sexuality destroyed many imagines from ancient Egypt (before there were Jews) of all kinds of promiscuous sexual behavior.
They tried to do the same in India.

So if you are going to make statements like the Jews are causing people to be hypersexual and destroying decency, you might want to have some knowledge of history.

 

Okay.

Then I am not going to just trawl through a random link then.

*shrugs*

 

Maybe get someone to explain it to you.

 

As I've said before, I favor limiting the immigration of asylum seekers far more than we currently do. And I also acknowledge that, in Norway's case, foreigners have a higher percentage of offenders than their percentage of the population should present.

Still, that's a far cry from saying all rapes were done by foreigners. And the stats mentioned later in that thread still showed that native citizens still made up the majority of offenders.

 

I don't think ALL rapes are done by third and second world immigrants.

I do however believe that in % terms, they commit more violent crime than the people native to the land.

Besides, they shouldn't be here anyway, so even ONE rape by one 'asylum seeker' would not have happened, had they not been here.

It's that simple.

 

he is in usa, you are in uk, where is here jack, whiteland?

just remember this, all whites are immigrants because so-called black ppl are native to every continent, they are adam, the original man, aboriginal, whatever you want to call it. just be grateful that you were brought into existence by him.

 

I believe we are speaking of Europe AND the US.

Do keep up.

 

simple......Jews

they have managed to put themselves at the head of all decadent movements ....... Men of this sort have a vital interest in making mankind sick . . . (24).NIETZSCHE


JEWISH BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA SUPPORT GAY RIGHTS
http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/J...-of-America-leaders-support-gay-rights-312760



JEWISH GROUPS BACK OBAMA ON GAY MARRIAGE
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world...sh-groups-back-obama-on-gay-marriage-1.429403