Why do Christians ignore the atrocities of the Old Testament?

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  1. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Source...?

    Astarte in Judah

    The plural form is pointed ʻAštārōṯ ("Ashtaroth").

    ... the title "Queen of heaven" as mentioned in Jeremiah has been connected with both.

    In later Jewish mythology, she became a female demon of lust; for what seems to be the use of the Hebrew plural form ʻAštārōṯ in this sense....


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashteroth


    Baal and this "Queen of Heaven" are the gods and goddesses which the OT rails against as the major deities that the Jews kept turn to as Lust misdirected them into the Gentile amorality that always lead them astray.
     
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    I read that there were prophesy schools.. and they basically acted as the conscience of the community.. or as analysts.
     
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    Hmmmm...
    Evidence for the Kabbalah that appeared in the 12th Century AD?

    What seems pretty clear to me is that the basics for predicting sociology concerning the rise and fall of nations centers on the Patriarchy to Matriarchy Syndrome, wherein as a successful nation gets so rich its people tend to change sex partners, divorce, mimic Hollywood, to include even Gayness, and in general, raise bad kids who, in the end, tear down the society and refuse the responsibilities of military defense/hard work/honesty etc.

    In the meantime, the poor backward patriarchies eye the opportunity to invade, or a dictator become necessary to force certain groups (like the military) to behave accordingly.
     
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    So what?


    The point is that in the bible, there aint no talk of matriarchies that failed.
     
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    What nonsense.
     
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    they dont ignore it, they rationalize it.

    kinda like battered wife syndrome
     
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    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    No, that is not true.


    Clearly, the Bible is about Human Behavior, albeit, changing that behavior by describing it.


    God did make man to behave as those Jews he chose as his example for us to study.
    They were patriarchs, who did all the things which patriarchs are created to do, mush the same way lions or tigers, or lambs are created.

    Further close reading of the Old Testament describes the n[behavior of Gentiles, the other kind of people God made, those who were not patriarchs,... i.e. more feminized that patriarchs, various stages of unfolding matriarchies.

    The finale of the Bible, the New Testament, reveals the ability of all men to change to a form of behavior by choice, one which is neither patriarch nor these weak, feminized, sexually promiscuous, girlie-men and gay Gentiles.

    They can become Christians who extend equality to men and women and stop the ancient battle of the sexes between Patriarchies and Matriarchies.
     
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    i keep you on ig, a variance here in that I saw you'd quoted me.

    This post is another example of why.

    Topic: the "god" in the OT is a psycho monster, mass killer.

    How do xtians get around that? The rationalize.

    How do you respond to my pointing that out?
    You say its about "human behaviour".

    So there you go; rationalizing the mass killings saying its people doing it.

    back on ig, to stay.
     
  9. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Its OK that you ignore what I say because you have no intention of acing the truth, but push your agenda, right or wrong.
    I post for reads who lurk and read the nonsense and illogical statements you make, and then rad how I crush you bigotry with common sense, facts, the statistics which support them,

    Things like calling the God of the Bible such names here are unfounded and deny that factually, this events to which you refer are the Reality of this world.
    We should face that truth, and avoid trying to reinvent the world with lies and fantasies you think would be nicer, but that s insane.

    To live in such a fantasy world is crazy, by definition.
     
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    if its to me its a waste of time.
     
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    First of all God is Creation and cannot negate from what He created. It would be against His nature. Humanity itself does that. When the O.T. says God did this or that, it was not God, but man's sin that caused the upheaval in the earth, or committed the act. The reason God sounds so harsh in the O.T., is because people would not be able to understand it any other way.

    God could of course stop the army from killing them, or stop the earthquake and hurricane from happening, but He has to be asked...and asked fervently..and that means prayer and fasting. God doesn't turn away from mankind when these things happen, but rather mankind has turned away from Him. :pray:
     
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    Whenever the old testament becomes inconvenient, most Christian pull the "Christians are not bound by the OT" card, but then turn around and quote the OP when bashing gays the next minute.
     
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    I want to add to this. The reason these things are mentioned in the O.T. is to warn people as to what will happen when we turn from God, and give free reign to our lowly passions and carnal nature. The depravities in the O.T. with its dire consequences have occurred tens of thousands of times since it was written, but do we ever learn? :confuse:
     
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    It is more simple than rationalizing the facts-of-Life as the affect men:

    Isa 45:7
    I, (almighty Reality), form the light, and create darkness:
    I,
    (both Friend and Foe of the living), make peace, and create (the environment for possible great misfortune), evil:
    I, (both Friend and Foe to life and man), the LORD, (of the living), do all these things, (naturally, through the environmental forces).


    But, in regard to the Hebrew patriarchs to whom this God spoke, and the things that they did back then, as they opposed the ways of the Gentiles, who God also created and made as they are...

    ...God destroys the sexually promiscuous societies as he did in the great flood, and he does, time and again, since.
    He warns the Hebrew patriarchs of their own destruction if they go the way of these Gentiles.
    He tells them to eliminate those neighbors who will infect them and their children the way drinking friends will condemn the alcoholic if he interacts with them.

    The OT is describing the age old Battle of the Sexes from the point of view of the sociology that results from it.

    The OT describes what the patriarchs of 3300 BC did and what the patriarchs of Islam are doing in 2013AD.
     
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    Did this come from the Freudian Bible Interpretation?
     
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    Are you referring to the prolific work of Dr Kofh? :roflol:
     
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    I believe so.
     
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    God specifically commanded the killing of infants with the genocide of the Amalekites. How do you rationalize that?
     
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    because He can?
     
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    Burzmali Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Way to make your god sound like a toddler. images.jpg
     
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    He's the creator, and we're here for Him.
     
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    So? Does a creator automatically gain the power to do whatever he wants to his creations, regardless of their pain or suffering?
     
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    if you're God, yeah.
     
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    Why is only God subject to this special pleading? Why not parents? Why not animal breeders?
     
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    IMHO, the Old Testament is there for teaching purposes. It's not literally true, but is there to teach us. A lot of the OT teaches us about the fallibility of human kind. Basically, the story is about how bad human nature is, and that if there is a chance to do wrong, we'll do wrong. The NT is about the new relationship with God, where He accepts our nature, and basically, gives us another chance.
     
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