Why do Christians ignore the atrocities of the Old Testament?

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YOU'RE arrogant for all the other stuff. ie, everything you've decided isn't legit because your boy is.

 

He doesn't dictate it, nor is He governed by it, He simply is it. He is good, it's His nature.

 

It's God's nature to kill children and wipe out entire cities due to the actions of a few adults?

 

Its in post #77, but yes He is Good, its His nature. He is the standard.

 

true, I stand corrected. I don't need to justify God as He is the ultimate standard of Justice.

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I don't follow.

 

suggesting arrogance is ludicrous. hence my response.

 

If He is the very nature of Justice, would His actions not be just?

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You're standing in judgment of the Creator, in my view that's arrogant.

 

Hmmm...
He is making a judgment about your definition and concept of God, and questions the claim that "He is the very nature of Justice."

He said, "I am the Truth,"...
Justice may depend upon us, and how willing we are to face the Truth.

But my point is that in these discussions, we must agree there is no more blaspheme, in that the term itself means one questions the other guys insistence that what he believes is sacred and right.

 

He is Reality.

Reality is good.
Fantasy is crazy.

Since Christ is Truth, his Father is the unfolding of Reality which sires that Truth.

 

That's the fault of the state. The monopoly on the use of force allows the state to determine obligations and penalties, not persons and property owners.

 

I don't think I accused him of blasphemy. Facing the truth is no a matter of willingness, its a matter of time. Since you say Justice depends on us, are you implying Gods judgment can't be rendered without our compliance?

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So you're in agreement that God is good?

 

Its called Evolution.
Its one of God's Facts-of-Life.

In the Flood out of Africa 40 thousand years ago all our previous links to the first appearance of mankind went extinct.

The natural laws which are fairly applied universally to all living creatures are justified by the Physics which unfold the next frame of existence.
The God of the Living holds us all to these Laws, and he justifies His actions as logical and consistent with His Law.

I suspect the death of the children murder, to whom you refer, was an act of Patriarchs who will exterminate sexually promiscuous societies they believe threaten their own youth and nation.

 

In your suspicion that most Christians have ignored the Old Testament by and large, and spent little time reasoning out what is means, you are right.
In the attempt to explain the OT to them, you are dead wrong about it being hard to follow this god as the best choice for us all.

Your silly conclusion is wrong, that God made men (patriarchs) who struggle to eliminate another class of men (gentiles) with who they compete for existence.

We see the same exact struggle today between 1.33 Billion Muslims patriarchs and a Western World of Gentiles.

For you to think God sides with the sexually promiscuous gentiles is silly.
The facts-of-life show that no matriarchy has ever lasted long, and neither will this one in America.

 

Definitely,... God is good, because this reality we have so meticulously adapted to over millions of year is rational, consistent, and orderly.
It allows man to image its in his mind for what it is and how its Natural Laws interact and unfolds the future to which men will and must adapt.
This god nurtures life, is the god of the living, and allows the use of Truth to make life even more abundant for men that any other species.

This is all good.

 

Ask the Muslim patriarchs of today whether the extermination of whole people, infidels, is what God tells them to do.
Ask the lion if God told him to eat the cubs of a lioness who he did not yet mate with.

God did make "Eat or be eaten" one of His Natural Laws.

The message of the NT is that he ALSO made a thinking human which can be merciful, and convert instinctual god-given natural tendencies into love thy neighbor by changing him, using Truth as his salvation.

 

So then it is good and moral to command the murder of children, yes?

 

Your god commanded the slaughter of infants, if you believe the old testament. Only the deeply deluded or psychopathic would follow such a being.

 

Your post has nothing to do with mine. Jeanette seemed to be saying that stuff like 1 Samuel 15:2-3, where god is quoted as saying "put to death men and women, children and infants," is not actually true. That god didn't actually say that, but rather men wrote that into the bible to justify their actions. I was asking Jeanette for clarification. Do you think god actually said that?

 

How does the infinite and perfect touch the finite and imperfect without changing it or itself?

 

Evidently you're thinking of some "US" on some other planet, as there is no such provision in the US Constitution ratified in 1788 on planet Earth.

Well I find it arrogant of anyone to claim I can't possibly know God exists when in fact I know it for sure. So I guess we're even.

 

And now the rebuttal: What you've done is just reworded the dilemma. You're saying that God's nature IS Good. Okay. Why is God's nature this way? Does God's nature just happen to conform to what is good, or is what is good at the whim of whatever God's nature happens to be?

 

Okay let me simplify what I meant. If you had a toddler and there was a lit fire nearby, you are not going to explain to the child why he shouldn't go near the fire because there is no way he could understand it. Well for the same reason God in the OT couldn't tell the Jews that everything they do will affect the world around them because they wouldn't have been able to understand it.

The Jews were living in a pagan world who did not know the true God, but only the 'demon' gods of their own fears and desires. God was preparing the Jews to bring the Saviour of mankind into the world, and He didn't want them to have contact with the pagans because they would have fallen back into their old ways. To keep this from happening, God 'allowed' the evil one to succomb the Jews into killing them.