Why do Christians ignore the atrocities of the Old Testament?

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  1. Burzmali

    Burzmali Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I personally think that most Christians have no idea what is actually in the old testament. There is so much murder and destruction either directly from god or from those he commands that I have a hard time believing so many people would follow him if they actually knew. As someone else already pointed out, it's much easier for some Christians to plug their ears and "la la la, the new testament, la la la" if confronted about it.
     
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    That is the total overview summed up.

    When we add the idea of predicting the future based upon the present behavior of the people at anyone time in the History that is also included in the Bible, we see that the book is about Sociology.

    Today, we do have a hard Social Science, and we are not able to predicted the future based upon analysis of human behavior.
    So, the inference is that locked within scripture is a hard science that actually works, one we can discover if we are open to the challenge.

    Like Freud, scripture also tells us the place to start is with the Libido is the Satan here, the spirit inside our seven fold psyche which drives the sexual promiscuity which separates religious people from the Gentile pagans, or secular atheist society of today.



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    1) Id = Lucifer
    2) Libido = Satan
    3) Ego = Mammon
    4) Anima = Devil
    5) Self = Beelzebub
    6) Superego = False Prophet
    7) Harmony = False shepherd


    8) Conscience = Good Shepherd
     
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    I explained it in my post. Just the way you can't understand that it is not a punishment from God, but man's own doing, the people before the New Testament and the advent of Jesus could not understand it otherwise. So in order to make them understand what the consequences will be, the O.T. says God commanded them. There is a part in the N.T. where someone asked Jesus why he is saying something is wrong, when Moses didn't, and he answered that people would not have understood it at that time and place.

    As I wrote though, God can stop it if people want Him to, but they must repent and pray ferverntly.


    Actually many Christians believe that God in the O.T. is not the same as God in the N.T., because they too cannot understand, so it's a little deep. :confuse:
     
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    It is true that these 12 different major denominational Christian interpretations and understandings are all wanting to one degree or another.
    Non-believers and Bible Bashers can, and do, have a Field Day by searching out hard to explain statements and seemingly contradictory verses in the Old Testament which just show how erroneous the traditional interpretations.

    But, I have found nothing in scripture which is contradictory or can not be explained if one reads the Bible from the point of view of Theistic Evolution, recognizing that Truth is the son of a God which is the ever unfolding Reality that entraps us moment by moment.
     
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    Absolutely.

    For instance, if Christians would pray and ask God to help them end Abortions in America, if they really, really, really meant it, and were sincere, immediately, 2/3rds of the 1.2 million abortions would end this year:


    Abortions by Religious Affiliation:
    Protestants: 37.4%
    Catholics: 31.3%
    Jews: 1.3 %
    Secular: 30.0 %
     
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    I think that it does,...

    Google:

    The Freudian Bible Translation and Interpretation
    http://kofh2u.tripod.com/kofh/id9.html
    Freud and Carl Jung began the identification process that revealed the analogy between seven ancient evil spirits and the seven psychic archetypes.
     
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    We submit to authority, who is His authority? He is the authority.
     
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    Burzmali Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you saying that the accounts in the bible of god commanding people, like Saul, to kill infants, those are not actually true? That writers of the old testament just said god commanded it when he really didn't?
     
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    Are those in authority not subject to general morality as dictated by the masses?
     
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    Would your finite morality created by the infinite morality be able too comprehend the actions of an infinite mind?
     
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    What the hell is an infinite morality?
     
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    The morality possessed by an infinite and eternal mind.
     
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    Can it really be called moral when it commands the murder of children?
     
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    Okay, before we continue. Have you heard of the Euthyphro dilemma? It basically asks whether God dictates morality or if he follows some objective morality that has been dictated. Which do you think is the correct view of God's morality?
     
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    I think the simple answer to this thread is this:

    Christians fear being sent to Hell by the brutal monstrous dictator in the sky more than they believe in standing up to evil.
     
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    I've been through this many times. Are we really going to stand in judgment of God? The maker of everything? The reason you're here? The reason you actually have a standard by which to judge?

    Have you looked at what we've done with His creation?
     
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    I don't see how what you're saying is any different from a person justifying a dictator's actions.
     
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    Neither. What is God's nature? And Has He revealed it to us?
     
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    I've done no evil. I draw my standard at harm to people. It is wrong to harm another person except when you defending yourself from harm they initiate against you.

    Let me guess, you'll excuse god from murdering children because "those children were coming right him!" right?
     
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    Um, neither isn't an answer. It has to be either one or the other. There are no other options.
     
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    I can't justify God. To justify something is to imply that it was wrong.
     
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    What? In your world? Why is there only two options? Is God not worthy of a third option. Are you so arrogant that you decide what options God has?
     
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    What third option is to whether God dictates morality or if God follows an objective system of morality that exists independent of God?
     
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    Okay, what is the third option? The only way I've heard Christians "get out" of the dilemma is to posit that God is Goodness, which just eventually returns back to the same problem. It's dictated by the laws of logic. It's just like there are only two options for God's existence: he exists or he doesn't. There is no middle ground.
     
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    ... No, it means the exact opposite, actually. Justifying something is showing that the action was just.
     
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