Why do 'pro lifers' only care about life inside the womb?

Neat idea, yet sadly not reality.

There were about one million abortions in the UK, last year.

There would never be the demand to adopt anything like one million new born babies.

 

But why is it traumatizing? It's merely the removal of a parasite, is it not?

 

That Spanish waiter - Juan King?

 

I can't claim to know if that would be true or not, in the US, but can you imagine the reaction of many of the same Pro Lifers, if that were the primary solution to it?

 

Well, I would not use that term, no, and I don't think the women I know who went through it would use that term either.

It is traumatising, as the vast majority of women do not have a termination as a snap decision, they are able to feel bad, but also feel it is the right thing, both at the same time.

 

So, you appear to support the right to abort, if only on economic grounds, is that right?

How do you reconcile that with your religous beliefs?

 

So, if it's not a parasite, what is it?

 

I didn't ask the women what specific term they wished to use at the time.

One of them had been raped, and I thought that may be an ill timed question, what do you think?

 

I do not. There is reconsiliation. Thise who choose evil shall do evil. Was it not ordered in tho OT to kill everyone in some towns? Burn it all and take nothing?

It is not my place to stop them and it is also not my place to fund sinful lifestyles.

No sweat off of my back. If it were Gods will for it to stop it would.

 

Does anyone accually have a statement supporting that it is a sin?

 

That video is horribly hacked. Can't you find one that includes complete statements, instead of complete questions followed by incomplete/edited over answers?

It was clearly a piece of propaganda.

 

All these ethical/societal problems disappear if we stop this "life begins at conception" nonsense.

I am a Christian, and I can easily morally and intellectually defend the notion of life beginning "when the blood moves".

Those who quote God's words, "before I formed you in the womb, I knew you" - and use it to support the notion that there should be no abortions whatsoever are misled, imo. What matters is when the soul/consciousness enters the body - it's then that I believe we each become human.

The Bible teaches that "life is in the blood"; that is the basis of my argument. If we adopt this notion, it gives those who have experienced rape 14-21 days to take action to abort what would be a child.

Who has a problem with this standard?

 

Are you suggesting that was not her voice and words?

 

Why do people start off a debate with a loaded question?

I find your numbers highly suspect. Please provide a source.

 

I'm suggesting that I cannot even tell how she answered, as the answers aren't even complete. In one case, the Kouric asks a question, and the video allows Palin to get about one second of something in, and then blends the audio into something else.

 

People that don't care about age old supernatural religions, because they live in 2012?

 

Government-funded abortions would obviously make it more readily available to the lower classes, whereas now, mostly middle-class people can afford to pay for abortions.

That's another thing to consider if you're a stereotypical welfare-hating pro-lifer. Just another angle to consider..

 

That's fantastic - but I said that I can support the notion intellectually as well.

It's (hopefully) obvious that there is some point where a baby is in the womb where even you wouldn't support aborting it, right?

If that point is "where it would be viable outside of the womb" - how would you know? Pull it out to see if it survives? And why is that standard so inviolate? There are all sorts of times where we care for human beings that cannot fend for themselves, but we're supposed to use this standard?

I don't buy it.

I think there's a reason that we have an emotional reaction upon seeing an ultrasound - and recognize the humanity of a little nose, and fingers and toes - that causes us to recoil at the notion of killing that child.

At least those of us with soul, anyway. There is no such emotional reaction at 14-21 days of gestation.

I think my standard is more defensible than anything else you could offer.

 

True.

History itself demostrates that even when it was illegal to get abortions, or to get pregnant while unmarried was seen as a 'sin', that the 'upper classes' of the day, they were all having sex, as much as anyone else, but they didn't need to worry about the laws, since they could afford a qualified doctor.

Despite lots of fist waving and moon howling, there is next to no chance of an abortion ban ever been implemented in the US, and most of Western Europe.

It simply doesn't have enough support.

 

One can have an objection to Government administered welfare and aborting kids on the taxpayer's back.

There is a reason that abortion is not supposed to be funded with taxpayer money; one that evidently escapes you.

 

It doesn't escape me. I was offering another viewpoint, that is all. The elitist viewpoint of this subject has most certainly been discussed among the most avid supporters of government-funded abortions.

 

If you are asking me at what point during the pregnancy, should be women be able to abort, then I am not sure, to be honest.

It tends to vary from country to country.

I've not checked, but I *think* that over here it may be 20 weeks.

That would seem longer than I would personally like, however, there does not appear to be a massive public outcry to alter it, not that I am aware of.

Like I said before, prevention is better, and means less and less are even in that siutation, to start with.

 

An elitist veiw? Dont you mean the rich?

 

This is a moral issue. Nothing in the Constitution can be found supporting the notion of legally allowing abortions, not to mention having tax money pay for them.

And I'm pretty sure you'd cede that there is no way in hell that Jefferson would ever have supported the idea.

 

Hosea 13:16
King James Version (KJV)
16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

And we complain about Muslims. There is more to it but it is beyond the scope of this thread.