Why do 'pro lifers' only care about life inside the womb?

Caveat - This is not an abortion debate, per se. I support a women's right to have a termination, because the alternatives are even worse. I find it less hard to be respectful of those that have multiple abortions, since that sort of strikes me as using the process as an extension of contraception, which it never should be. I would like to see the number of termination's carried out, in my country, reduced - not by a legislative process, but by social changes in attitudes, I accept lots of people are going to have lots of sex, but the small step of more responsibility with protection, that alone would make a significant difference to the scale.

Anyway..

What IS a 'pro lifer'?

A pro lifer is someone more than the reasoned narrative, I gave in that opening piece.

From what I can gather, they want an outright abortion ban, and when they cannot get their way, their methods and reactions are highly inappropriate, to any reasonable person.

Pro lifers want to foist their often religous based values onto other people, using law, while I would like to see termination's reduced, by way of a change in social attitudes, which I believe the best sort of change.

But another curious thing strikes me about the pro lifers that I have watched, and listened to. They seem to stop caring about the importance of that life, once it has been born.

Yup, once that baby has been born, they would begrudge financial assistance to the mother, if by no fault of her own, the dad upped and vanished, and as the child grows older, they would think little of supporting policies which may see him sent to die in needless conflicts, if he happened to be in the armed forces. If he was one in four of the American homeless who are ex vet's, do these 'pro lifers' take some time out to ensure that these men, these lives, are safe, fed, provided for?

I'm a cynic. If you ask me, these pro lifers don't really care about life, per se, they merely want to force their own agenda on everyone else, irrespective of consequence, and hey, they do not to keep a steady supply of worker ants and soldier ants, do they not?


Jack

 

Why?

Because they are all F'd-up on JEBAS!!!!

 

Because unborn babies are cute. Once they start crying in the middle of the night, they can go to hell.

Seriously, Republicans generally favor expanding the child tax credit.

 

There is such thing as pro-lifer atheists. It's about values. Some people just value a life more than avoiding inconvenience.

But anyways, you're stereotyping and simplifying way too much. If I wasn't dead tired I'd go more into it.

 

Why do pro-deathers only care about life once it has committed murder?

 

Foist our religious based values on others? Let me ask you.....does one have to have religious based values in order to realize that the killing or murdering of an unborn human is morally wrong? Just because you Satan worshipers march to a different sounding drum doesn't make your attitudes toward the killing of human life more sociallly acceptable then our religious or non religuous views concerning the honoring of pro human life.

 

Rather depends what you mean.

Atheists are not one movement of people, who act and think one way, but a mass of v different people, who are only united by the fact that they do not believe in an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient god, or gods.

I am an atheist, and I am pro life in the sense that I respect the lives of others, even if they are strangers, even if they are not of my country etc. That is why I oppose war - it is anti life. That is why I am anti poverty - poverty cost lives.

So, in that regard, I am an atheist, who is 'pro life'.

Do you see?

 

Do they?

Can you give an example?

 

What century are you living in?

 

And as if by magic...it seems from some of the posts, you are 100% right.

 

Jack, you know it as well as I do that there is just no accounting for the pro-lifers. A real pro-lifer holds all human life sacred. American pro-lifers pick and choose between the life they want to protect and the life they want to destroy (or execute, or bomb, or starve, or leave on the side of the road).

 

Don't tax credits pre-suppose than a person has an income to begin with? People with incomes aren't generally the ones who need assistance with child rearing.

 

Yup.

That sums it up for me.

And some act like terrorists, have there not even been serious attacks of doctor's, over in the US?

Like you say, a true pro lifer is concerned with all of life, and NOTHING I get from the pro lifers in America suggests that they do.

They may now rock up and claim otherwise, for the sake of it, but you know as well as I do that they generally do not.

 

A pro-lifer wants to send all working-class men, particularly black ones, to jail for life, and arm everyone not in jail to the teeth so that they kill one another. It gives a foetus something to look forward to.

 

I don't like abortion, but it IS a fact of life. Even among the Christian right and its reverends. Those folks are just feeling powerless and need an issue to call their own in a world that is zipping by them.

 

You may want to re-write that first paragraph. "I find it less hard" ergo, easier. I think your message is corrupted by that.

 

I don't think anyone could claim to 'like' it, however, the reason it exists in the first place, is that it people do get pregnant, and often they want to terminate.

When law stopped them from doing so, in the past, they did it anyway, only a market sprang up for 'doctors' whose credentials were dubious, to say the least. The term 'back street abortion', do you know that? Quite often, the results would be terrible, with both mother and baby dying.

Malta is the only country in Europe where you cannot have an abortion, maybe the ROI too, now I think about it.

However, what tends to happen there, is that if someone really wants to have one, they travel to another Euro nation that doesn't have such laws, and have it done there. There is nothing they can do about that.

 

I meant I find it hard to be respectful of those that are on termination number three or four, as is sometimes the case.

 

Of course you did. You just didn't say it. Some may be confused when you say one thing, but mean something else. (you may even be accused of being a politician)

 

It was an error.

I have now made it clear what I meant.

Mind if we all now move on?

 

Yep, I am for a little more responsibility (and maybe some counselling) in that regard.

Usually the pastor's daughter or the priest's secretary would take a 2 week 'vacation' in the Swiss Alps.

That is entirely the point.

 

This IS domestic acts of terrorism, right?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/200848.stm

Since the Roe vs Wade ruling 25 years ago that legalised abortion in the United States, the anti-abortion movement has been waging a sustained campaign against it, and some of its supporters have turned to violence.
In 1996, for example, almost a third of all abortion clinics reported violent attacks, such as bombings, arsenal and vandalism.

Last year abortion clinics in the United States recorded 17 very serious attacks. One clinic, in Greensboro, North Carolina, was burned down after an arson attack and forced to close. At another hospital in Atlanta, Georgia, protestors set off two bombs.

 

Often desperate girls did horrible things to themselves with knitting-needles, gin and the like. I think those who want to enslave women as birth-machines again are very, very wicked, especially in the way they pretend to believe that other people are going round preaching abortion rather than recognising its inevitability in the kind of world the Pharisees want to impose on us.

 

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUd90geK8Ug"]Argentina's illegal abortions - 30 Jul 08 - YouTube[/ame]

Isn't this just tragic, and unethical.

Argentina's ban on abortion doesn't = the end to abortion.

It simply keeps going on, but is much more dangerous.

What could be more unethical than having the means to make it less dangerous, and denying a civilised person those means, in law?

 

That is an excelent point/question. they claim that once a baby is born, then it has freedom to fend for itself, but they're also against education (not that I'm for it, but I'm not being a hypocrite either by pretending to care about babies).. basicaly people are good hypocrites - if you look where most christians stand, it is disguisting totaly. best example of good christians I can think of are these people who tried but failed to topple Venezuelan president, even killing people and blaming it on Chavez. I consider these christian types to be subhuman filth:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id--ZFtjR5c"]The Revolution Will Not Be Televised - Chavez: Inside the Coup - YouTube[/ame]