Why is fighting gay marriage such a big issue for many of you?

Muslims approve of polygamy. So their version of marriage conflicts with christianity as well. And Jews have an inherent hatred for Christians so they will support what Christianity forbids.

Progressives have zero morals and worship themselves.

 

It's important that when a minority is oppressed, others stand by their side. Think WWII and the jews.

 

What a crock of (*)(*)(*)(*). Where in the bible does it tell christians it's a sin not to oppose gay marriage? That's right, no where. Let god deal with the gays, onoce they're at his pearly gates. It's not YOUR responsibility to police gods laws and rules, he's quite capable of doing it himself.

Lets face fact, religious types just use their religion to justify their own bigorty. Everyone can see this and it's about time that you guys did also.

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Stop treating people within your society as second class citizens, stop forcing your rules on them and you'll find yourself less in the firing line.

 

Its not emotions, gay relationships have nothing to do with the relationship i have with my wife. Its no different to gays having other relationships such as polygamy, incest lumped with theirs - how about we redefine the word gay to include those? As a child of Western Civilization, I like Western traditions, the traditional family unit has served us expectational well i see no reason to redefine it. You however have an idea in your head and think it must override thousands of years of tradition, one generation believes it knows better, the arrogance is astounding. I really couldnt give a stuff if you like my reasons or not, they're my reasons. Doesn't mean i fear gays lol, or hate them, i simply value our traditions.

So you think defining SSM exactly the same traditional marriage it will encourage the values you prefer? You obviously feel redefining a word will help elevate your values or you wouldnt be so hung up on having the definition exactly the same, you'd be happy with equal under the law but different.

As i said once the ***** get the definition exactly the same it will be taught the same, mind fkning young children who struggle enough as it is growing up. If its not a choice as were told, no promotion is needed, we can all respect different and tradition. Well obviously some hold contempt for Western traditions, but anyway....To repeat, im 100% behind all legal relationships being treated equal under the law.

 

Still doesn't explain why you think people going about their own business is an attack on Christianity. Christians are just used to the laws and society being on their side, and they're having a hard time adapting to the concept of compromising and integrating into a system that isn't all about them. Life your life and get on with it, nobody is saying you can't be Christian.

 

I love my western traditions, and love being in a 'conventional' marriage. everyone has the right to the same. why am I so special that I can have it and others cant?

 

How does it effect you if we decide to make a law that limits your best friends ability to enjoy his life?
How does it effect you if the Government forbids your mother from doing the things she loves to do?

A truly caring human does not need to be personally effected to feel compelled to stand up for others when someone wants to hurt them. Just as I will prevent a rape when I see it occurring, I will try to prevent injustice against people I have never met.
Just as I feel bad for the kidnapped and tortured women in Ohio.....I feel bad for the people trying to gain the rights they should already have in a society as good as our own.

 

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That's funny, since Christmas used to basically be a Roman pagan festival that the Christians hijacked. Again, I'm not sure why this is such an issue. You really think it's worth devoting all of this time and money to protect the use of a word? Really? That's your priority? Because your feelings will be hurt if gay people can use the same word for their relationship? Out of all of the issues facing our country, the use of a word is one of the most important, and it's so important that your hurt feelings over the use of a word is more important that the hundreds of rights you're keeping from people you don't want to use that word (civil unions do not offer the same rights/benefits)?

I'm not even going to argue on the issue of education because this would be partaking in your slippery slope fallacy.

Ugh, so much wrong with this post. Is that lack of a law against divorce an attack on Christian institutions/traditions/principles? Or is it just the stuff you find icky? btw, newsflash: this is not a theocracy. And if most people don't want something, that means that the people that do don't count? I don't get your reasoning at all. Such nonsense.

Because that makes absolutely no sense and has never been the definition of gay in any language or culture. Marriage, however, has not always been defined in the way that you define it.

First, you say it's just about the word, and now, you're getting a little deeper. And talk about arrogant - you seem to think you know what's best for every family and that it doesn't matter how it hurts others because YOU want YOUR traditions to be pushed on everyone. How is it arrogant to allow people to have the same rights as others and accept that they're going to be in those relationships either way? And guess what: people are going to have gay relationships whether or not they're married. It's not like banning gay marriage is going to keep people from having those relationships. And what exactly are you basing your evidence on, as far as gay relationships being bad for society? Nothing. You have no evidence that gay relationships or gay marriage hurts society.

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It leads to a lot of mentally unhealthy people who pointless struggle with their sexuality. It leads to bullying and suicide. It leads to them living a lie, sometimes getting married and having children, and then, realizing that their whole life is a lie because of people like you. Yeah, that sounds great for society. We have tons of evidence showing that suppressing gay people is bad for society and those individuals and no evidence that your bigoted, oppressive "values" are good for them and society.

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I guess I have known too many gay people. I don't like them adopting kids. The sight of two men kissing in a restaurant makes me lose my appetite. I don't want to explain it to my kids... I don't want the confusion and pressure the gay mafia likes to impose on simple minds... I am sure all of these things are offensive to gays... but I really don't care. I used to. I used to care from an ideological standpoint... forcing neutrality on my instinctive reaction... but I am over that now, and I will tell you why.

For all of the clench fists and foot stomping... there is no genetic link to "being gay". We cannot measure it, quantify it, or predict it. It is... NOT science. The more pro-gay programming that exists, miraculously, the more gay activity there is. My niece, a senior in high school, says "like 80 percent of the girls at my school are bi-sexual". There is a strong social component to "being gay". I am sure you will agree that it defies credulity to presume that all of ancient Greece was genetically predisposed to homosexuality, and pederasty. The society at the time simply had a very abstracted concept of sexual roles. Tribes in Papau New Guinea believe that children become men by ingesting the elders seed. They sequester the women in the village, and go off hunting. Only ever cohabitating to procreate. It is, evidently, an extremely hostile joining.

The more open to homosexuality and deviance a society is, the more prevalent it is. This is because it seems to be MOSTLY socially influenced.

I don't like it. That loss of appetite follows me. My gut says "gross" "wrong" "no". I get to feel this way. Ultimately, like all social issues, it ends up with trying to program kids. Every (*)(*)(*)(*)ing show on television has a gay character/couple. The indoctrination that "everything is normal" is annoying... and directed. Tolerance training, sets the tone for exacerbating that already confusing age of puberty, full of raging hormones and experimentation... and it is marketed. I don't "like" gay society. I don't care for the parades down public streets covered in glitter and leather grore, celebrating sexual fetishism, while pretending it is family friendly. People are off dying in a desert somewhere and you are pretending you are a unicorn, and because of your particular fetish, feel entitled to subject the rest of the world to it.

At the end of the day. Social acceptance only seeks to multiply it, because there is a primarily social construct behind it, despite more foot stamping that "it's not a choice"... because it ain't set in (*)(*)(*)(*)ing stone either.

I will not help you. I believe you are bad for society, and dislike your targeting of kids.
(*)(*)(*)(*) Glee.

I look forward to your hate mail.

 

Time and money, of all the big issues facing the West ect......you kidding me, there only one group who puts the gay issue above all else over the definition of a word. If the definition of marriage was left alone and we talked purely human rights gay relationships would get almost a 100% approval. Carry on like we hate your sexual activity ect, its really not about that.

Of course not, we already see teachers making girls role play kissing girls. We all know the issue wont be left alone even if gay marriage is made law.....fact!

Dont know the history of the word i see.

Yes it has, the word marriage didnt even appear until around 1300AD, by then it had its roots deep in tradition and religion. Theres always been homo behavior reconised in Europe/ the West but never has it been viewed the same as man and wife, never has it been viewed as the family unit.

HISTORY OF MARRIAGE IN WESTERN CIVILIZATION

Not my traditions, lol do you think im like the highlander or something? There can be only one! They are what they are, its you in your very short life span that believes its should change to validate your relationship....why so insecure?

Im not convinced people are born gay, forgive me - but ill believe that when theres scientific evidence of a gay gene. If there were no gay gene and it being all cultural it would be teaching our children to go against nature wouldnt it? Most species have males and females to reproduce and carry on, no?

Its funny how some religions need scientific evidence and some dont. Your religion deserves the same examination as any other....... unless of course you can show us your godly gay gene? No....didnt think so.

 

No, it's not that you know a lot of gay people. It's that you're just a bigot.

And you're not basing this on any peer reviewed science, so you're just pulling your opinion out of your butt.

So, banning gay marriage is magically going to keep gay people from destroying your meal by sharing PDA just like a straight couple?

And this is why it's a priority for you? Because "ew, gay people kissing?" Really? I mean, for me, issues like unjust wars, a lack of equal rights for people, the destruction of our environment, the economy, our eroding right to privacy and due process - those are issues are find significant and worthwhile spending time and money on. But your priority; "ew, I don't want to see gay people kissing while I'm eating out in a public place that is not just for me, and I'm magically going to stop them from kissing by banning marriage, even though it's already banned and doesn't seem to be having any freaking affect on PDA.

What's to explain? Should you really be a parent if you can't handle explaining why gay people have the same rights as you? Do you really think that's an issue that's going to come up with your kid? "Daddy, why do gay people have the same rights as us?"

And you're seriously not capable of figuring out how to answer that question? Either it's too complex for you to explain or you're just so incredibly homophobic that any type of conversation involving gay people makes you have a panic attack?

Well, I'm sorry simple minds are so bothered by the idea of equal rights. It's apparently incredibly confusing and overwhelming for you, but that's not a valid reason to make oppressing gay people a priority.

And sympathetic, rational, straight or bisexual people.

So, you don't care because you think people are choosing to be gay? I'm not sure how this is even relevant? What does it matter whether or not people choose to be gay? I could argue that it is genetic, seeing as how there are over 1500 species that have been observed with gay/bisexual behavior. And I could ask you if you could choose to enjoy giving a BJ to a guy. But really, I don't see why it matters. I am interested though, if you will admit that you could enjoy giving a guy a BJ. You say it's a choice, so then, you're saying you could choose to be sexually attracted to other men.

I'm guessing you have absolutely no background in psychology or sociology and don't bother to ever read actual scientific articles. The more accepting a society is of something, the more open people will be with that aspect of themselves. It doesn't mean it's creating more people with that trait, but that they are being open about it.

And once again, I'm not sure how keeping gay marriage banned will some how stop people from being gay.

Sure, you get to feel that way, but a) you might want to get some therapy since you really seem to have a serious mental and psychosomatic problems associated with your homophobia, and b) you don't get to keep rights from people because of your phobia.

A challenge you to post a single peer reviewed scientific study showing that having pro gay characters in EVERY (this is a lie) television program makes children gay. Then, post peer reviewed scientific studies showing that being gay is unhealthy (not counting the unhealthy impact of bigotry, like what you're displaying).

And has a lack of gay marriage on the federal level stopped a single gay parade?

So, what you're saying is that you could start liking gay sex at any moment?

You act like I'm the embodiment of all gay people. I'm not even gay (but I'd like to be an honorary member of the gay mafia), but this is how irrational you are. You go a crazy, irrelevant rant, and direct it at me, as if I must be gay, and I must be forwarding this to all gay people every where. I believe YOU are bad for society. Your bigotry; your oppression; your selfishness. And I dislike your targeting of children with your filth.

All of your ridiculous ranting did nothing to explain why you fight gay marriage and why it's such a priority. Banning gay marriage does not stop parades; it does not stop gay people from kissing in public; it does not stop tv shows from not being bigots; it does not stop schools from teaching children it's ok to be gay instead of teaching them that they're dirty and wrong. It doesn't stop any of that. So, you failed to answer the question.

 

No... it is that I know a lot of gay people. Every subject gets turned into something about being gay. It is the center of their universe. They are the center of their universe, and insist you recognize it. They are just remarkably self absorbed and the most promiscuous folk on the planet.

And I am a bigot.

Funny thing about "peer reviewed science". I don't need "peer reviewed science" telling me that US black society makes for (*)(*)(*)(*)ty parenting. I know... you wanna throw that bigot thing in here too. Unfortunately black society only really sucks in the US at parenting. There are no ebonics issues in England... ever wonder why that is? Why black people can speak their native language in every other country?

Because it isn't about science you (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)bag, it is a social issue.

I don't care to experiment with children so you can collect enough data to even approach a scientific study, over the amount of time it takes to produce qualitative results. It is a bit like drowning the women to see if they are really witches... if they die... not a witch. I don't want to give children to 10s of thousands of gay adopters and monitor a few thousand, with a control group, so we can see if it is a bad (*)(*)(*)(*)ing idea.

Not accepting gay society will. We have this thing in our mind as to what is pleasant. We... for the most part except for certain fettishists, think fat people are gross. Watching a wobble wobble fatty get it on with... well really anybody... we go "ewwww" and that is all well and good... but "ewwww" at gays is "hate speech". Meh.

It isn't a priority. I said I would not help you. I will vote against. It isn't like I am creating an armed group to go hunt them down.

I said I didn't want to, not that I was confused by or incapable of it. Please spare me the histrionics.

Gays have equal rights. The question is do they deserve special rights because of their fettish. I say no.

You are offended FOR other people. That's cute. I am offended for the religious folks then. How is that? You seek to pervert their church and now I am offended. Yeah... feels weak when I do it too.

Sure... I'll be your huckleberry. I cannot conceive of a throne in which I would willingly engage in homosexual acts. However I have never been convicted of a crime and sentenced to an extended period in prison. It is entirely possible that after x number of years I seek the comfort of another human and all that this entails. I know, rationally, that I can say "never in a million years"... however evidence does not support that position. I could, absolutely, choose to be sexually attracted to other men. It really depends on the environment... which is at the heart of this discussion. I will passively block ANY legal support of an environment which breeds homosexuality.

You have me pegged... you failed to report my claws and sharp teeth.

I don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) if people are gay. I give a (*)(*)(*)(*) that society not encourage it. Some people like to (*)(*)(*)(*) and (*)(*)(*)(*) on their partner. I think that is gross too. Some people like to be (*)(*)(*)(*) and pissed on. It is truly disgusting what some of the fetishes out here are. I don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) if they do it on their rubber sheeted bed in their home... that would be ridiculous to oppose... however legislation to give them special treatment, I will block.

I don't want THEM adopting kids either. I will cut you off here... I have no scientific peer reviewed paper that suggests that people who like to put seran wrap over their heads and have someone (*)(*)(*)(*) in their mouth is a bad parent. I just don't (*)(*)(*)(*)ing like it. Again... I get to. I get to presume that if you identify yourself as a kafkaist, and every conversation you have has something to do with kafkaism, and you rally and throw black kafka parades, and political activism in the name of it... if your ENTIRE (*)(*)(*)(*)ING WORLD revolves around your revolting fetish... you probably shouldn't have kids.

They are natural reactions. Like watchin fatties get it on. Some of my favorite people on earth are fatties... I still don't want to watch em.

It is called hyperbole. Let us look at the top 10 shows, shall we?

Nope. Clearly we need to do more.

Not at any moment, but certainly in an environment which presents it

You can be singular, or plural. When I say you in this context, I mean your movement. When I say I will not help you, I mean your side. Clearly from reading the thread you are not gay. I am not sure you ever answered the poster who asked the inverse of your original question... if it has no effect on your life... why are you (singular) such a militant defender?

It isn't a priority, but creating a healthy environment for our society is part of a priority I think we are both fighting for. You think healthy is "accepting" everyone. I think it is excluding some.

Look at it this way... I don't need peer reviewed papers to explain clear facts to me.

There is a lot of gay in prison.
Some women, after cycles of abuse from men, "go gay".
A great number of "gays" were exposed to sexuality way too young, at various levels.
All of ancient Greece was not genetically predisposed... nor other societies which embraced homosexuality.

To require further "proof from scientific peer reviewed papers"... only if you are seriously retarded. Does (*)(*)(*)(*) stink? Do you have any scientific, peer reviewed articles that tell me whether or not (*)(*)(*)(*) stinks? Is this odor ACTUALLY offensive to me? Is it just a perception, based on a society which has long held that (*)(*)(*)(*) stinks... or could it be... that (*)(*)(*)(*) does not stink... the society that tells you so does?

(*)(*)(*)(*)ing ridiculous. (*)(*)(*)(*) stinks, dudes (*)(*)(*)(*)ing each other is gross. I don't WANT a social construct which suggests otherwise.

The gay movement is really about softening the "feelings" of each generation until they are celebrated.
Do not want. Will push "no" on the ballot... will argue with you. That is about as "committed" as I am. That is how "prioritized" it is in my life.


How big a priority is it in yours? Maybe we could explore why it means so much to you... because you seem to be projecting its importance a bit.

 

Well I dont see anyother way. Unless you just wish to keep dividing our nation further and further.
I was usually pretty moderate about gays, but now I have turned totally against them based on thier agenda and demand for special rights.
I used to understand peoples adversion to guns, untill they demanded to have mine taken away.
So in an attempt to get this nation moving forward, that was my idea. Vote on it, majority rule.
Not just sit mired in the same old arguements and debates and getting no where on any of it, but wasteing time when there are way more important challenges before us.
We choose our leaders the same way, you call that "mob rule"?
Or are you one of the ones that wish for gays to have what they want and and have my guns taken?

 

Of course it's normal to swing both ways-if that's what is normal to you. I wonder how many heterosexuals have anal sex with their partners...
Let gays and lesbians marry if they want to. The sky won't fall, society won't crumble and only the bigots and ignorant among us will complain that their prejudices aren't being acknowledged.

 

Thank you for proving my point about gays. Or at least the vocal ones.
Calling people ignorant and bigots does not endear anyone to you. I have tried to understand you, but instead have been met with nothing but ugly insults.
And every time you do that, I just get more and more fine with the fact that gays are nothing but sissy little pansies that are just stamping thier feet for attention.
You dont want marriage as much as you want the attention.

 

Well doing nothing but calling people bigots and ignorant is what you call hitting a nerve, then yes.
He is the one digging his own hole here.
Gays want to start being treated well and taken seriously? Better learn how to get along with others of a differing view.
I can bet that the eventual backlash is not going to be what they had planned on.

 

Yes, gays want to start being treated well. Do you have a problem with that?

 

Being treated well and with respect needs to start with treating others the same way.
Calling others bigots and ignorant because of thier beliefs is not the way to get there.
I know its only the internet, but what people read here from the biggoted gays. Makes many of us feel they all think that way.
Luckily none has ever spoke to me that way, and I have never given them reason to.
So if the gay community can be respectful in public, they can online. Or like most, I will feel like through annonimity. This is how they really feel. And if that is the truth, then they have lost me as any kind of ally.

 

Christian principles have no place when it comes to our secular laws. They are not, and should not, even given consideration. We are not a theocracy. Sorry.

 

I ain't even readin' all of that. I'm sure it's just as ignorant, irrelevant, and irrational as the last post.

 

I don't see why you'd have a problem with anyone being treated well, gay or otherwise.

If you're going to refuse to treat them well unless they do your bidding, then it's no wonder that they get angry.

I don't find the gay community to be disrespectful to the public in general. I know a few gay men and they are kind an caring and not political whatsoever. I have heard rhetoric from a gay leader that mentioned "breeders" but from what I have witnessed, most gay people don't like that term and don't approve of any kind of intolerance or inequality.

 

Why do you spend your time thinking about anal sex? Its not normal to teach children that.....if as an adult you get off thinking/ having anal sex great.... good for you!

More than happy for equality under the law, just not changing tradition, ive been pretty clear on that. Not sure how the sky will fall, how society will crumble and why gays will scream discrimination/ bigotry with equality using civil unions.

 

That is one way to concede.

 

I want everyone to be treated with respect, but if you are going to call me names and refer to me as a bigot and ignorant.
Forget it.