Why is USA hated?

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  1. GeorgiaAmy

    GeorgiaAmy Well-Known Member

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    Americans really don't care for Middle Eastern Muslims since 9/11. Of course we will pick Israel over them.
    We overwhelmingly opposed Syrian refugees. Nearly all government at the state level refused on behalf of their constituents. We will take illegal Mexicans all day long over Muslims across the Atlantic.
     
  2. GeorgiaAmy

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    America's side of the globe hasn't seen war anything close to the other side. I am so thankful oceans separate us.
     
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    Football's Jeff Gordon. Yep, Americans will understand. I wonder if anyone else will.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Naah ... It is because of what the USA does around the world and the abject hypocrisy of US foreign policy.

    I can't imagine Europeans are too happy with US being involved in arming supporting Al Qaeda and ISIS in a proxy war in Syria which lead to the worst humanitarian crisis so far this decade and the refugee crisis.
     
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    GeorgiaAmy Well-Known Member

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    What has Europe done about it?
    We really don't care if Europeans like us. We'd rather be rich and safe.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course you care if other's like you. Lie to me if you like but don't lie to yourself. Others care as well.

    Do you not care about the fact that your tax dollars funding ISIS and Al Qaeda led to the spread of extremist Islamist ideology all over the world ? Does this make you happy ? Or is it that 1) so long as this Islamist plague that the US helped create is only affecting other nations you do not care and that you will only start caring when it comes to the USA..

    2) Or is it that you just do not give a sht period.

    My guess would be #2.
     
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    If other nations are plagued with crazy Muslims, maybe they should take notes from Israel. If they think we are to blame, why do they do nothing? With tax deductions like mortgage interest on a 30 year fixed 5 years in, married, and 3 kids in public school, my taxes aren't a big concern.
    I am certain that I'd rather be safe and prosperous than popular among other nations. Let's drop Mexico and Canada somewhere across the Atlantic and poll them after a few years as to who they would prefer as a neighbor. Haha!
     
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    Which does not alter his point one iota.
     
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    Since the United States did not invade Lybia, and it did not involve any of its forces there until well after the chaos started, why right wingers continue to insist that a civil war that the US did not start in Lybia is Obama and Clinton's fault is beyond me. It's one of those nonsensical right wing narratives that lives dispite obvious and elementary facts to the contrary. The bobble heads bob on cue.
     
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    I think it's a sweeping statement. Unless you've been directly affected by one of America's many wars you shouldn't have reason to "hate" America. Personally I at times become exasperated with America and it's decisions... past decisions. I think the other side of the "hate" coin is envy and certainly although it plays a part in this debate, the racism, discrimination and misogyny Trump and others export contributes to a general dislike by many who would otherwise have been neutral.
     
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    OK ... Number 2 it is :) The safety/security and prosperity of US citizens is in part a function of our relationship with other nations and in particular the creation of massive debt to which tax dollars have to be applied.

    You seem to confuse what the people think and what Political leaders say in public. The two are not the same. Another factor is that much of the major European MSM (although not to the degree as here) is owned/influenced/controlled by the same international financiers that control our MSM.

    Canada is our number one trading partner with Mexico coming in as a close second. Canada, Mexico and the EU are responsible for over half of US exports each roughly responsible for a third of the total. Get rid of that and life gets really hard, really quick for most US citizens.

    Another large source of income is our international corporate operations. Things get real ugly in short order if those international operations start to experience increased taxes, tariffs, instability of political relations, takeovers and partial takeovers, regulations and so on.

    I get that you only care about yourself and not for others or the future of your children but .... these things matter and would likely affect you personally.

    We have had the luxury of being able to bully others around with no recourse for a number of decades. The reason there was no recourse had less to do with our military might and a whole lot to do with our economic might. We were pretty much the only game in town and if you wanted to play in our economy you had to play ball. We are still a big player but we are no longer the only game in town .. by a long stretch.

    Again you seem not to care about these things and the future of this nation but, I sure as hell do.
     
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    A lot of Americans, particularly the more parocial and xenophobic among us have been conditioned to believe that the world hates the US.

    This is repeated frequently in right wing media, and is one of the many aspects of the politics of resentment that is so much of the right wing message.

    In fact, it has been my experience when I have travelled, that Americans are treated pretty much like everyone else.
     
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    These are good questions and I’m responding before I’ve completed reading the rest of the thread (have to keep myself pure).

    An American friend of mine summed up the situation when he said to me, “can’t stand the country but never met an American you didn’t like, right?” Spot on.

    Well not that I can’t stand the country. I quite like it having chosen to visit many times and had a thoroughly great and interesting time each visit. Polite, courteous and genuinely friendly to strangers. Of course I’m white, English-speaking and am not wanting to sneak in to live there. But that aside, there are so many positives that criticising seems a bit treacherous.

    I put it down to the spirit of American exceptionalism, massive international power and influence and greed driven by multinational corporations with headquarters in the US. At this point the perceptive reader is probably mulling over “What did the Romans ever do for us?” Good thought. But the People’s Front of Judea (let’s not confuse them with the splitters!) didn’t see that the Romans were doing it in their own interests. All those aqueducts were really for them, not the locals.

    Also capitalism. We should accept that capitalism, while it started elsewhere, is in no purer form in the world than the US. And while capitalism has been beneficial for us it’s now starting to kill us and everything else on the planet. A lot of us are calling for a wind-back but the ideology of neoliberalism which emanated from the US and which a lot of us took up is running completely rampant in the US and causing pain elsewhere.

    Perhaps it can be summed up as the US sneezes, the rest of us get pneumonia and die. There may even be a bit of envy in there, but I suspect that’s lessening off as we see the massive problems the US is undergoing
     
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    Well before 1950. Think of the Monroe Doctrine.
     
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    You know as well as I do that what's slammed is popular culture. Aside from that it's entirely too obvious that the US has very many cultures and its intellectual culture is as good as anywhere in the world.
     
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    First American isn't a race it is a best an amalgamation of a good many ethnic groups. 2nd We are, almost by accident the big dog on the block and on average the richest. No one ever really likes the big dog and if he is wealthy into the bargain that is in the minds of most sufficient reason for hatred.
     
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    Oh dear
     
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    I dont see it as a starting point.
     
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    Good answer. Especially your last line.
     
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    Could it be the American Empire is spread across the globe, with a military the size of the next 10 nations? Ready to crumble someday, just like the Roman Empire. And still have our finger in everyone's pie...
     
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    Quite possible. And if so what empire will replace it. Hence my admission of "pro American". Yes dominance around the globe upsetting the tyrants would be one reason.
     
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    So true...
     
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    Sheesh! How about some respect here?

    Try: Chair Force.

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    1976-1980
     
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    Nonsense. People love gracious winners; most people hate belligerent winners. Only cowards celebrate them. The U.S. government and its people have become far less gracious and more belligerent since the turn of this century.
     
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    You are confusing America with China and India. America is just a dinosaur whose brain has died but the body hasn't figured it out yet and is just thrashing around in it's dying spasms.
     
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