Why it doesn't matter if Obama was born in Kenya

This is the law in effect at the time of his brth:

His mother needed to be 21 in order to convey her citizenship onto him.
What age was his mother when she squirted him out again?

 

I'm not debating he's a citizen, I'm stating a fact that if he was born on foreign soil he has dual citizenship, not birthright citizenship.

Your precious article says nothing about natural born or birthright citizenship, your letter provided absolutely no support for your claims, and your court case had nothing to do with your argument. You have failed to produce even one shred of strong evidence to support your claims, which run contrary to the vast majority of constitutional lawyers. If your arguments are true, why has nobody brought it up throughout all these years before you? Do you actually believe yourself so brilliant that you were able to find evidence that everyone else missed?

 

Did you seriously just cite ehow? Was wikipedia too complicated to read? LOL. Newsflash...birthright citizenship=natural born citizen.

 

ahahahahahaha! Thank you! The bolded part is exactly what I said, and birthright citizenship is only granted when BOTH parents are US citizens. You have now proven without a doubt that you don't even read other peoples posts or the evidence provided.

 

Oh God, read this carefully...dual citizenship is not it's own unique type of citizenship. You are still either a natural born citizen or a naturalized citized plus whatever type of citizenship you have with another country. There is no third unique type of citizenship called "dual citizenship". This is title 8 Section 1409, paragraph C, titled Children Born Out of Wedlock of the USC:

(c) Notwithstanding the provision of subsection (a) of this section, a person born, after December 23, 1952, outside the United States and out of wedlock shall be held to have acquired at birth the nationality status of his mother, if the mother had the nationality of the United States at the time of such person’s birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year. I'm at the point in the debate where no matter what I've made you look foolish and uneducated. I can't be your teacher but I can school you all day.

 

Title 8, § 1409. Nationals and citizens of United States at Birth

Para. C: (c) Notwithstanding the provision of subsection (a) of this section, a person born, after December 23, 1952, outside the United States and out of wedlock shall be held to have acquired at birth the nationality status of his mother, if the mother had the nationality of the United States at the time of such person’s birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.

 

Have you noticed that all the people who hate birthers aren't in this thread supporting your position? Outside of a couple early pop-ins not one has dared raise their heads once people started bringing facts into the discussion. You're all alone on an island with your delusions of grandeur.

 

I think they're tired of arguing with the inconvincible. Again why do you think McCain didn't raise the issue?

 

Because he believes Obama was born in Hawaii, obviously.

 

And I'm arguing with an ethnocentric xenophobe and a birther, so who is the People's Champ here?

 

Obviously! Clearly he doesn't have access to the same in-depth research provided to you by your keyboard. Nice.

 

Yet more evidence that you don't read posts, I'm not a birther. I stated quite clearly that I don't believe he was born in Kenya.

 

No, you're the ethnocentric xenophobe. NB is the birther. Try to keep up.

 

Of course he doesn't deny it. He wrote two books that told the American voters that he was a British/Kenyan citizen upon birth.

The 14th Amendment doesn't say that- and the American voters disagree with you. American voters quite clearly said that they believed President Obama was eligible, knowing that his father was not an American citizen, and that he was a dual citizen at birth. The Electoral College knew this when they voted him into office. Congress knew this when they unanimously approved the election. Chief Justice Roberts knew this when he swore President Obama into office.

Only Birthers don't seem to know this. Birther claim that they hold the secret decoder ring that allows them to see the true meaning of the 14th Amendment and the Constitution.

 

Mostly because we consider the whole issue irrelevant, and because it has already been discussed to death.

Hawaii has confirmed Obama was born in the US. Even by birther definition, he is a citizen. Unless they can prove Hawaii is wrong, the case is closed. They lost.

 

I don't have the time to keep educating you on this:

The only place in the US Constitution where citizenship is defined is in the 14th Amendment.

It's that part '....and subject to the jurisdiction thereof...' is where the confusion sets in. When asked for clarification of this phrase, Sen. Lyman Trumbull, Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, author of the 13th Amendment, and the one who inserted the phrase in the 14th replied:

But, obama, by his own admission, was born subject to the jurisdiction of Great Briton. Therefore, he was not born subject to the complete jurisdiction of the US and can not be a US citizen.
Much less a natural born one.

That was the way it was accepted, that was the way it was voted on and that was the way it became law.

The American voters are idiots. As evidenced by the fact that obama holds any public office.

 

You have completely misready your own citation.

The U.S. Constitution confers automatic citizenship to individuals born on U.S. soil, regardless of parentage.

The U.S. State Department's rules and regulations on dual citizenship are very complex. Generally, a U.S.-born citizen may hold dual citizenship in another country

Dual citizenship is not some 'third' form of American citizenship- as the article you cite clearly shows there are two forms of citizenship- born or naturalized. A born citizen can also be a dual citizen- which doesn't affect his U.S. citizenship status at all.

There are only two forms of citizenship- Natural born or Naturalized. If you are not 'born' a U.S. citizen, you must be naturalized to become a U.S. citizen.

 

And do you support the OP's position that anyone born of a single American parent anywhere in the world is a natural born citizen? That is the actual thrust of the thread, not where he was born. Every single piece of evidence provided by the OP has been knocked down.

 

I do, but it is irrelevant in the birther context, since Obama was born in Hawaii anyway.

If one of your parents was an American, you are an American. Even if you were born on the moon.

 

Maybe this subject is too far above your head for you to participate.
I just showed you that citizenship in the US is not automatic by birth. Who you are born to is more important that where you were born. That's why the writers of the 14th Amendment included it in the Amendment.

 

Then you are absolutely wrong as well. Both parents must be citizen in order for birthright citizenship to be conferred.

Read more: Types of American Citizenship | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/list_7582825_types-american-citizenship.html#ixzz19M9Dpg6e

 

So far you haven't educated me on anything.

"The only place in the US Constitution where citizenship is defined is in the 14th Amendment.
It's that part '....and subject to the jurisdiction thereof...' "

There is no confusion.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2008/12/natural-born-citizen/

“subject to the jurisdiction of” clause was included in the fourteenth amendment to exclude a small class of special cases which are enumerated in naturalization law, and they include the Indian tribes, children of foreign ambassadors and persons born on foreign ships at sea within the external territorial waters of the US. This subject was examined at length by the Supreme Court in United States v. Wong Kim Ark which said:

The real object of the fourteenth amendment of the constitution, in qualifying the words ‘all persons born in the United States’ by the addition ‘and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,’ would appear to have been to exclude, by the fewest and fittest words (besides children of members of the Indian tribes, standing in a peculiar relation to the national government, unknown to the common law), the two classes of cases,—children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation, and children of diplomatic representatives of a foreign state…

Since the Supreme Court under Wong concluded that Mr. Wong was a citizen from birth under the fourteenth amendment, then he must therefore have been born under the jurisdiction of the United States and if, as you say thisas claimed is equivalent to “not subject to any foreign power” then this person born of Chinese citizens must been “not subject to any foreign power”. QED"


"When asked for clarification of this phrase, Sen. Lyman Trumbull, Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, author of the 13th Amendment, and the one who inserted the phrase in the 14th replied: "

Except that during the debate it was acknowledged that even a Chinaman would be eligible to be President under the 14th Amendment.

"But, obama, by his own admission, was born subject to the jurisdiction of Great Briton. Therefore, he was not born subject to the complete jurisdiction of the US and can not be a US citizen. Much less a natural born one."

Big surprise to the State Department, the Supreme Court, the voters and President Obama.

But I guess your secret Birther decoder ring allows you insights that mere mortals cannot be allowed to see.

Well and this pretty much comes down to the whole Birther platform.

Voters are idiots, Congress are all idiots, the Courts are all idiots. Only we birthers should be allowed to decide who can or cannot be President. Because Birthers in their minds are the only ones who are not idiots.

 

You quoted a Senator, and completely disregarded the SCOTUS, the USC, Congressional Legal Reviews, and the like, based on a single non-binding quote...

 

Heh big surprise to everyone else in the United States. You should have mentioned that to Chief Justice Roberts before he swore President Obama into office.

What I really love is that Birthers give every foreign government in the world the ability to disqualify Americans from being President.

According to Birthers, if Hugo Chavez said tomorrow that anyone born in the United States is a Venezualan citizen, then nobody would be qualified to be American President. Birthers totally cede the qualifications of the United States Presidency to foreign governments.

 

Stop it with the ehow, that seriously is almost as bad as wikipedia. Let's see if there is a conflict what source is more accurate regarding U.S. Law? The United States Code (title 8 section 1409 para. C), or ehow? HMMMMM? Decisions, decisions....