Why nobody can trust pro abortion folks!

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Please remember:

    Nobody in America supports communism.
     
  2. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    I remember you didn't answer my question.

    I gets guess you don't dare.

    I accept your surrender.

    And that's why roe v Wade was overruled.
     
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  3. WillReadmore

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    You have made at least two attempts to explain why RvW was canned.

    Both have been wrong.
     
  4. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    You've made no attempt to answer a simple question.

    You must be scared.
     
  5. WillReadmore

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    I'm tied of answering the same old questions from you, day in, day out.

    Yes. I absolutely do believe that women rightly have 100% control over their healthcare decisions.

    The minute the aging white male Republicans start trying to legislate women's health care they do all sorts of damage (as described) that comes at all stages of pregnancy. ALL stages.

    Our legislators are not health care professionals.

    Women have rights to their bodies.

    Anyone who wants to follow their religion in their personal healthcare must be free to do so.


    How many days will you remember this post before asking me again?
     
  6. Kode

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    See? This is exactly why I have had him on “ignore” for many months. Today I wanted to see what you were complaining about and I find Polydeks.
     
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    Wrong. There are several including life-threatening conditions for the woman that only abortion can resolve. ….“of”.
     
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    Yeah, unless it’s your own, eh? …….
     
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  9. Polydectes

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    Bullshit.
     
  10. FoxHastings

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    So you hate the idea of pregnant women having health care even though facts show that women who receive health care during pregnancy don't have as many miscarriages and have healthier babies....don't you like BORN HEALTHY BABIES ????

    Did you want to go back to the days when many women didn't have access to doctors and died from pregnancy??

    Yes?

    No?

    Do you want women to never go to a doctor when pregnant?

    Yes?

    No?
     
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  11. Kode

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    Then you are not knowledgeable of the medical facts and health implications involved. Or do you claim data like THIS are false?
     
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    From your link :

    ""There are several conditions that can lead to a life threatening emergency for women during or shortly after childbirth. Some of these conditions can be diagnosed during pregnancy, for example, pre-eclampsia (a blood pressure problem) or some problems with the placenta. But some conditions may only develop as an emergency. These different conditions mean that women’s experiences of their emergencies will be very varied. What they have in common is a life threatening and traumatic birth they had not expected.""


    Now those are facts but do righties, Anti-Choicers, really care? It doesn't appear so....and so they will keep denying facts..
     
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    What if we kill the mother to save the fetus?

    You probably never considered that option. But some mothers and fathers world rather their kid live than them, I am sure.
     
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    So let’s just be clear:

    The anti-abortion position is based on spin, false information. lies, and denials.
    The pro-choice position is based on facts, truth, history, and reality.

    This has never been violated. And it is available for all to see right here in this thread.
     
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    The baby killers deny science. They think a fetus is part of the mother's body but the science clearly shows that it is not part of the mother but a separate being.

    Not only do the baby killers deny that the fetus is an individual, but they claim the mother has special rights above the rights of both the father and the kid.
     
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    Hey -let's make it a democracy!

    If both the father and the fetus choose to abort the mother, then it is two to one and in the dumpster mommy goes...
     
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    An Anti-Choicer finally admits their TRUE end goal....
     
  18. Polydectes

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    Yes that you're not knowledgeable unless you accept this stupid premise is always an argument of someone who is incorrect.

    If you could show me I'm wrong then you would that's why you don't.
     
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    1. Pulmonary Hypertension
    Pulmonary hypertension is when the pressure of the blood vessels connecting the heart and lungs is too high, which puts a huge strain on the body. In order to pump blood to the lungs, the heart has to work too hard. When you’re pregnant, your heart is already working harder to pump blood, because it has the additional task of nourishing a growing fetus.

    “You can go into really bad heart failure and there's a 50 percent rate of mortality — of dying in the pregnancy if you get pregnant with that condition,” says Limaye.

    Abortion in this case is an option that can save the pregnant person’s life.

    2. Ectopic Pregnancy
    In normal, viable pregnancies, a fertilized egg implants in the uterus and grows into a fetus. But sometimes the fertilized egg implants elsewhere, such as inside the fallopian tubes. These pregnancies are called ectopic pregnancies, and are highly dangerous. It can cause the fallopian tubes to rupture, which results in life-threatening internal bleeding.

    Fetuses cannot grow and develop fully outside the uterus, so all ectopic pregnancies are nonviable. The treatment for ectopic pregnancy is abortion, which saves the life of the pregnant person. In these cases, though, the medication methotrexate or laparoscopy are used to terminate the pregnancy, rather than the typical medications or surgery.

    3. Severe Preeclampsia
    Limaye says that about halfway through gestation, a pregnant person can develop a life-threatening condition called severe preeclampsia — a dangerous increase in blood pressure that can damage other organs. Induced delivery is often the recommended treatment when severe preeclampsia is diagnosed, because the risks of continued gestation are so high.

    “She can have a seizure, she could have a stroke, she could have damage to her other organs like her kidney or liver and get really sick,” Limaye says of the pregnant parent. “Termination can be the safest option in that setting.”

    Inducing delivery before 24 weeks would be considered an abortion, since a fetus is highly unlikely to survive outside the uterus before that point. It is possible, however, to continue a pregnancy with severe preeclampsia up to 34 weeks with very close monitoring.

    Preeclampsia goes away after pregnancy ends, Hackney explains.

    4. Severe Kidney Disease
    Kidney disease bears a sliding scale of risks for pregnant people, according to the National Kidney Foundation. To complicate matters, diabetes and high blood pressure, two of the most common conditions in the United States, are known causes of kidney disease, according to the Mayo Clinic.

    Pregnancy already increases the workload for the kidneys, so people with kidney disease have a higher chance of both pregnancy complications and of kidney failure, Hackney says.

    While certainly not all people with kidney disease who get pregnant will experience life-threatening complications, some people with severe kidney disease may be advised to end a pregnancy if the risk to the mother and fetus are too high, Hackney says.

    5. Cancer
    As a whole, cancer treatment in pregnant people has improved dramatically in the past decades, but sometimes the recommended treatment is not safe during pregnancy. In such a scenario, a pregnant person may choose abortion so they can pursue the treatment for their cancer.

    Unfortunately, some states with restrictive abortion laws do not allow exceptions for cancer treatment, which could lead to problems later on. “To some extent, you don't know the consequences of denying patients abortion care when they have health problems, even a year later,” says Hackney.

    If a person with cancer can’t get an abortion, the adverse health consequences may not be as directly notable, he explains. Down the line, someone’s cancer prognosis could worsen or reoccur because they didn’t get a particular treatment, such as some radiation treatments, even if the pregnant person still can get chemotherapy and surgery.

    6. Lethal Fetal Anomalies
    Tragically, some fetuses develop life-threatening abnormalities. A common example is when babies are born without fully developed brains or skulls, a condition called anencephaly. This defect shows up on prenatal screenings. Babies born with anencephaly die shortly after birth.

    “There are definitely patients who are going to have lethal fetal anomalies, who are definitely going to have to continue the pregnancy against their will because we're not going be able to provide them with abortion care,” says Hackney.

    Abortion in this scenario can be lifesaving simply because abortion is much safer than delivery. In the United States, research shows fewer than 1 person in 100,000 dies from an abortion, while according to the CDC nearly 18 in 100,000 people die from pregnancy-related complications — a nearly 20-fold increase in the risk of death.

    The risks are even higher for minority women: Per 100,000 live births, over 41 Black women and more than 26 American Indian or Alaska Native women die of pregnancy-related complications each year.

    All Pregnant Patients Deserve the Option to Choose Abortion
    Maternal-fetal medicine specialists like Limaye and Hackney know the true value of abortion as medical care, especially as providers who guide people through complicated, high risk, and difficult pregnancies.

    “It's such an important choice that I give them where they have the option to not continue a pregnancy where the baby is at high risk or they're at high risk,” says Limaye.

    Limaye practices in New York, a safe haven for abortion access. In contrast, Hackney’s work environment in Ohio has changed with the legal landscape since the Dobbs decision.

    “It’s the patients themselves who should balance the two scales with the medical risk on one side and their desire to be pregnant on the other,” Hackney says.

    Ohio’s new restrictive abortion laws have few exceptions for medical risk,
     
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    What about the man?
     
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    Do tell...
     
  22. WillReadmore

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    A man can augment influence by having a close loving supportive relationship with his wife.
     
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    No, I mean the man that knocked you up and ran.

    Doesn't the father have rights?
     
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    No, he can't force the woman to gestate NOR ABORT....

    Men do NOT own women because they impregnated them.....that idea went out when humans came out of their caves....try to keep up..
     
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    That's not what asked FoxHastings.

    I asked if the father has any rights.

    You don't answer. That seems to be a pattern with you.
     

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