OK .. Answer the question ? .. Its important ..and contary to popular belief "IS" the topic The answer to the legal question is that " We don't know" is not vaid justification for law messing with essential liberty .. the question of the soul .. underlies this topic the rational for the decision making process of the 67% and the 33% So Then -- the answer is obviously "I AM" -- that is the only darn thing you or I know for sure .. you woke up one morning .. opened those sht brown eyes of yours .. and knew that you existed .. and not a single thing more have you learned for sure since that moment. The soul is not that conscious moment in of itself .. but the abiity to obtain create , sustain and recreate that consciousness. .. So when we say "Where does the soul come from" I ask where did that ability come from You say "can u measure it" I say .. already told you .. "Significant brain function - the EEG" tells you if it is there or if it isnt ..if the organism can capacitate the "I AM" Now -- understand that I grew up in a very religious home - If I was really unlucky Church 3 times a week during xmas and Easter -- lost all of that - put more stock in the Ancient Alien theory than the Nasty YHWH fellow .. am a scientist chemistry/microbiology .. looking at this from a purely scientific perspective .. and thus when I say Soul .. I am not defining it like a religious person might .. not that these folks can define it.. but should one ever try. So this ability to generate consciousness .. that is what is "the soul" - how it came about .. is the oldest question in the book .. your claim from the mechanistic perspective --but not troted out ... how did matter and energy manage to generate coinsciousness -- what forces caused those building blocks to come together in the proper configuration ... keeping in mind there is no such thing as purely random chance in this equation. Folks will try to claim "the odds are too high" .. but this is not true if the deck is stacked ... regardless of whether or not the forces that govern the universe be divine or not .. there are forces that exist which govern the outcome.. putting the elements in the right order to create consciousness. That said .. even if this were not the case .. the soul is still infinite - for what ever reason - what happened Happened .. YOU Exist -- therefore prior to your existence .. was a finite propability that you could exist .. and in an infinite amount of time.. all finite probabilities repeat infinitely. Riddle -- What exists but can not be created or destroyed .. "The Soul" T Peoples belief in the soul affects how they vote .. for example .. if you believe ths soul arrives at the moment of birth -- you are not going to ascribe personhood to the entity prior to that point For folks like you and me .. in the " We don't know" category - it affects our vote too .. and hopefully one knows that "We don't know otherwise" is not legitimate justification for forcing one's personal beliefs on others through physical violence (Law) .
The majority of Americas want abortion to be legal in most or all situations. I know that there are Evangelical Protestants - the major source of those who oppose women's rights on this issue. The catch is, this must be a personal decision - not a decision to be made by somebody else's religion. Plus, the current radical anit abortion direction IS driving doctors out of OB/GYN.
First appeals to popularity are logical fallacies. Second if that were true how would politicians that don't support it get elected? Opinionated twaddle. my position isn't about religion it's about science. Good old fear mongering nothing like that to sum it all up you don't have a single leg to stand on with your argument here.
Sorry. I don’t understand what you’re saying. Same here. (???) huh? I’m really having trouble following you. Well, I consider that to be one rather philosophical way to think of it. I get that you are putting the awareness of self-existence in the forefront and as a major factor, but I also think we have all learned many other things that are at least nearly so significant. Hindu Swamis, Buddhist Masters, Muslim Sufis, and other mystics of all religions say that the Self is the soul and the Self is “the watcher”. The watcher is your consciousness when you have completely abandoned all desire, intentions, purposes, beliefs, hopes, expectations, needs, knowledge, and have brought the mind’s incessant churning and random thoughts to an end and are resting in the “Thunder of Silence”. I’ve experienced this several times in all its wonder, but continued investigation and research has led me to believe such a state as well as others, like the Presence face-to-face, are all normal if rare experiences of the mind under great stress. Meditation can apply such stress when done correctly. I do not know how it originated. SCIENCE does not know how it originated. And I’m fine with not knowing everything. I have no need to create answers based on assumptions and speculation to substitute for knowledge as the religionists do. Infinity does not exist. It is not supported by any kind of logic and reasoning. In fact under scrutiny it falls apart and is useful only as a concept in deriving other impossible conclusions that depend on infinity…. …like that. I disagree. I believe anything you can call “the soul” ends at death, because it is an activity of mind. But we must rely on something and logic is arguably the best choice, and so logically we must have laws governing abortion and they must be based on logic, and specifically on logic regarding the best science we have. But it is absurdly insane to base abortion laws on the emotions and mythical beliefs of a minority of the population. Yet somehow they have managed to take control.
I am not quite sure that your failure as a student is my failure as a teacher ... but likely has something to do with it The claim -- "Infinity does not exist" .. is as monstrously nonsensical as claiming defacto that God does not exist .. or does exist. but that wasn't event the concept really .. the assumption was that Time was infinite - never ending - goes on forever .. so you are claiming there is no such thing as something that doesn't end -- in addition to the infinity claim, which is demonstrably false -- with the simple question - tell me the last number in the sequence of the infinite series a + 1 where a the previous last number .. "I disagree" - because you didn't understand the definition of the Soul .. which is NOT an activity of mind .. nor an activity in the mind .. nor the electrical impulses that make up the thought .. and so when those things end .. it doesn't mean the Soul ends .. because the soul is not any of those things .. as defined by me ... not the Sufi Masters. So once again -- The Soul is the force that put the building bocks together --- the matter and the energy - that creates/capacitates the soul. The soul is the creator of the machine that generates those electrical impulses we call consciousness .. the "I AM" .. the forces that caused those building blocks to come together in the way that they did .. the ghost in the machine. that .. if you die .. will put together an exact copy of what you were - in the exact same way that happened prior to you existing the first time .. thus you will be -- again .. the "I AM" will open up its eyes .. and exist again Infinity is an impossible concept for the brain to deal with .. infinity itself however is not impossible.
However, I’m not your student, @Giftedone . My failure to understand you is the natural result of text that does not consist of properly structured sentences with proper punctuation. (I thought we were doing very nicely until you got assertive and a bit self-righteous in this post.) Cosmology teaches that prior to the Big Bang, time did not exist nor did space. I don’t claim to comprehend that but I recall the principle. Your “question” cannot be answered because it is not a complete sentence. “Unimaginably huge” does not equal “infinity”. Show me evidence that this is factually true . . . . . . —if you can. This is your personal concept of “soul” that may be shared by others. Identify the set of numbers that is infinite. If it actually exists you could divide it by two, producing what? . . . . two infinite sets? Ludicrous. Consider the “infinite” set of numbers from 1 to infinity. From that set produce another set by removing every even number (every number that is evenly dividable by ‘2’ with nothing leftover). What would you have? One infinite set of numbers that is twice as large as another infinite set of numbers? Ludicrous. Is space infinite? Some think so but cosmologists say space is expanding. Finally, name something real that is infinite and actually exists now, today, in it’s infinity.
??? Representation doesn't get elected due to one issue. Before the SC ruling, abortion was less of an issue. Remember that the RNC seriously underperformed in the mid-terms, and Republican analysts see abortion is a significant reason.
You can have your religion, but you can not use it as a basis for making law or in other ways demand that others agree with your religion. What point are you making with your last sentence?
I think it's an interesting subject. Take any number, whole, decimal, whatever, plug it into your calculator and divide by zero. And the answer to how many times zero fits into any other number is as big an answer as you can imagine. Or, is that infinitely smaller? I forget how that works. Edit- or, imagine a machine that has been printing out number nines in a row off rolls of paper since the beginning of the universe and counting on forever. Then after you reach what ever number that machine printed out and multiply it by itself to the exponent of itself, and then you still ain't even close to infinity.
Yes, calculators, phones, etc., that I've seen don't always handle this well. Dividing is defined as equivalent to finding a number that, when multiplied by the divisor (denominator) gives the numerator. If the divisor is zero, there is no number that satisfies that definition. It's simply undefined. So, any numeric answer is just wrong.
so it must not be that important to people. even Ruth bader Ginsburg new that groovy Wade was not a very good ruling. I'm not sure that's the reason some people may hold that opinion but I'll hold off on assuming that. I think most people want it but most people want it limited. Should have said a national cut off at 12 weeks and just lived with it.
It was AS important before the USSC ruling against abortion. The current state has raised its importance by a LOT. Knowing that a particular ruling wasn't great is NEVER a reason to kill the ruling. And, that wasn't a reason for the USSC ruling. It's not as easy as picking a week. Healthcare for women who are pregnant is a serious issue. There are plenty of circumstances where proper and even life saving treatment for the woman would leave the fetus essentially unviable. There are fetal abnormalities that many believe justify termination due to factors such as short and painful life after birth. This is not the end of the list. Health issues can crop up late in pregnancy - not at some date set by a legislature. Also, the conjecture that all women know before a certain date that they are pregnant is proven to be false. With the laws being written, doctors can not treat these women. They would be putting their entire careers as doctors at risk of some prosecutor in office today or in the future. Also, there are problems concerning how we psychological and physical issues of rape. Assuming that rapes get reported, the police know what they are doing, that psychological issues are handled, etc., etc. is just plain nonsense. Today, we have a resurgence of syphilis in regions where healthcare for those below the poverty line essentially doesn't exist. Pretending we do better for pregnancy is just plain nonsense. A couple days ago I cited the case of a woman in Texas. Her doctor gave her off the record advice that she needed to get the hell out of Texas and seek healthcare.
so why in the 50 years since the ruling was made to when the ruling was repealed didn't the 11th session where Democrats held all three branches of government they didn't make it a law. These people don't care if they did they would have done something in the decades they had to do it yeah it was said it wasn't constitutional. yeah it is that's what Europe did. this has **** all to do with healthcare there is no illness for which an abortion is the cure to there is no illness for which abortion is the treatment of. I think the psychological percussions of murdering your child in the womb is probably worse. Healthcare is available in Texas what are you talking about and remember abortion is not healthcare it is not treatment or a cure for any illness.
I don't have one but yes . there is a difference between 1) having a believe and 2) forcing that belief on others through physical violence (Law) The point of the last sentence was a response to the claim that infinity does not exist.
RvW stood for DECADES. There was no reason to believe that a law was required. Plus, whatever law was created could have been eliminated by the USSC, so why do YOU see such a law as being important? As explained, this issue absolutely does have to do with women's health care. There are numerous diseases and conditions where health care solutions would seriously damage the fetus. Besides that, in some of these cases, there is a chance of the woman's survival without treatment. So, doctors would need to risk their careers on prosecutors agreeing with the doctor's decision. Doctors won't do that. Their investment in their careers is gigantic. Plus that's their life's work. The list of fetal abnormalities is also significant, ranging from death to a future of short and painful life. This absolutely IS a judgement call. There is no way to protect doctors from this in the laws that are being created. I've pointed this stuff out before. I cited the Texas case. “My doctor said, ‘Well, right now we just have to wait, because we can’t induce labor, even though you’re 100% for sure going to lose your baby,’ ” Amanda said. “[The doctors] were unable to do their own jobs because of the way that the laws are written in Texas.” https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/16/health/abortion-texas-sepsis/index.html https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...egnancy-care-worsens-as-maternity-wards-close OB/GYN Doctor: "You know what, I'm not doing this anymore." (Referring to being an OB/GYN in Texas) https://slate.com/news-and-politics...on-law-doctors-nurses-care-supreme-court.html
Yes, we don't have any proven examples of infinity existing in our universe, as I understand it. It exists in math, but bfd.
I guess you were shown how that was wrong. so your argument is why bother having a legislature? murdering the fetus damages it to. So there's no illness for which abortion is a treatment or a cure. That's like the same cyanide is a cure for cancer. so would you support a law that bans all abortions at any stage except for if there is a severe risk to the mother's life? If not your argument is pointless. so would you support a lot of band all abortions at any stage except for in the case of severe malady of the child? If no this argument is disingenuous. You just trying to use it to justify genocide. Again would you support a law that bans all abortions with an exception of severe health risk to the mother outside of normal pregnancy? If you say no this isn't an argument point for you.
"Time is just an illusion to keep everything from happening all at once"- -I forget exactly who said that, might have been Einstein.
Well .. 3 choices .. either time keeps moving forward .. starts going backward .. or everything just stops .... "Frozen in Time" Think it was Einstein that said all is relative
You're making appeals to a rare event such as complications in a pregnancy or rape this is dishonest. Because you don't want abortion to be legal just for these people do you? Don't tell me I need to go back and read your post answer the question if you dare.
There are any number of reasons that a woman may need an abortion. They include the above. They include rape and incest. They include psychology. To pretend that legislatures full of old white guys can address women's healthcare has LONG been shown to be absolutely ridiculous. In fact, the history of the Republican party has opposed even just making healthcare available. Again, we're seeing a resurgence of BABIES born with syphilis - a disease easily detected in a pregnancy checkup and solvable by one cheap injection. This is clear evidence that OB/GYN is beyond the reach of large numbers of Americans, especially through the sun belt, as it turns out. After birth, babies with STDs can have all sorts of problems that are not easily resolved. This is the related problem of the USA having a healthcare system that is STILL not providing care to those who need care.
