Why should people be forced to get the vaccine in order to protect others who choose not to get it?

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  1. Heartburn

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    So then why was South Korea masking in March?

    So why did he never mention the committee during media interviews?
     
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    I don't find those questions even slightly interesting.

    South Korea is a different county with very different views of people wearing masks to protect each other.

    And, EVERY interviewer as well as every publisher of said interviews has known who Dr. Fauci is.
     
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    South Koreans wanted to wear masks. Americans wanted to wear masks. The difference is Americans were told not to.
     
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    What makes you say that Americans WANTED to wear masks?
     
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    Because they were buying them up in February and March 2020. So much so there was fear there wouldn’t be enough for healthcare workers. Americans had to be told NOT to buy and use masks.
     
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    And??

    Seriously, we've gone through this time after time after time.

    I just don't see your confusion.
     
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    I'm sure that you find those questions slightly inconvenient! Inconvenient in your ongoing mission to defend Fauci at all cost! You're clearly one of those Fauci lovers! I bet you even watched and enjoyed that JOKE of a documentary about him! :roflol:

    Oh, so science is different in different countries?

    And what about the audience?
     
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    No, I find these questions MONUMENTALLY redundant.
     
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    There weren't any masks available and it wasn't so much Americans wanted to wear them, they were required everywhere during the initial lockdown stage. I tried to buy them on the internet and had no luck, not unlike toilet paper.
     
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    No confusion. Just stating facts.
     
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    That was my experience, too.

    Well, they weren't actually required by a government agency here in Seattle in those very early days, but I certainly experienced the lack of availability.

    Many here sewed their own masks based on patterns and descriptions from various places. Later on, there were more published guidelines that showed the effectiveness of different mask types.

    Still, for a long time people were conforming to mask requirements by wearing masks that were known to be ineffective.

    I don't know of a reasonable policy change at that time that would have assured people were wearing effective masks.
     
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    We had similar experiences with the masking. No, it wasn't a mandate to wear them but businesses required them to go inside.

    What I see of the masks the ones everyone is wearing now are the same as the ones I bought when they were finally available. Splash guards.
     
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    There was a period where it was difficult to find masks. In February and March of 2020 Americans bought a lot of masks. Clearly people wanted to wear them. It was an early bird gets the worm scenario. The surgeon general said this.
    CNN March 2, 2020.
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/29/health/coronavirus-mask-hysteria-us-trnd/index.html
    LOL. Masks work inside the walls of a hospital but not inside the walls of a grocery store.

    From March 2020 until late fall of 2020 masks were in short supply. By the time of Biden’s inauguration there were millions of surplus masks sitting in warehouses without buyers. Manufacturers started laying off workers and headed towards bankruptcy because they couldn’t sell their masks. Why? Because the CDC and Fauci etc. were still telling people to NOT use quality masks. The CDC had told retailers like Amazon to refrain from selling masks to the public. Biden finally went around the CDC in the spring of 2021 and encouraged Amazon etc. to start selling N95s again because mask manufacturers had been lobbying the Biden administration for help so they could avoid bankruptcy. The CDC and Fauci recommended AGAINST N95s until September of 2021, a full 8 months+ after masks were in huge oversupply.

    Here’s a blast from the past. February 12, 2021.


    My reply.
    Yes masks were in short supply in the US from March/April 2020 until around November 2020. After November a little googling would find you all the masks you wanted. But places like Amazon didn’t allow sales of many until later in the spring of 2021 when Biden circumvented CDC guidance to retailers. As you can see above, @WillReadmore was unaware masks were in oversupply in February 2021 until I informed him of reality. This is the danger of just taking the word of public health officials. It took them 7 months from when I posted this about the N95 oversupply situation to stop recommending against N95 masks.


    To summarize, the CDC and Fauci recommended AGAINST high quality masks for a similar or slightly longer period of time when there was an oversupply of N95s than they did when masks were in short supply.
     
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    Science is science.

    What the interview knows is totally irrelevant. Fauci did the interviews to speak to the audience, not the interviewer.
     
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    He blocked EXPORTATION untill needs in the US were met!
     
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    There was at least one contract that was cancelled because the supplier failed repeatedly to deliver. That may be what is being called blocking production. At any rate, it's a false accusation very political.
     
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    A contract between who and who?
     
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    I'm sorry, I didn't write it down but I followed a link that was posted to prove that Trump had canceled manufacturing masks. An order was canceled because there were too many delays on delivery. See it as you will.
     
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    Don't forget there is such a thing as pseudoscience. It is promoted 24/7 by our mainstream media. Many cannot tell the difference between the two because they've been brainwashed for generations and decades.
     
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    No, the point is that policy is not science. Policy is policy.

    Policy is informed by many factors besides science.

    In this case, on of the factors was that the Korean public is far more willing to protect each other by wearing masks.

    There are cultures where citizens will wear masks if they have a cold, as it reduces the chance that they will communicate that to someone.
     
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    So you think Americans (who were buying masks and wearing them) were told not to buy masks because Americans wouldn’t buy and wear masks because of their culture?

    Logic fail.
     
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    LOL - you just need to learn to read and respond to a post.
     
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    I did. I responded to a post that was completely illogical. You claim American culture differs but both Americans and Koreans WANTED masks. The only cultural difference was our public health officials didn’t want us to use them.
     
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