Why should people be forced to get the vaccine in order to protect others who choose not to get it?

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  1. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    There's been quite a bit of discussion in the media about a 'vaccine MANDATE.' New York City Mayor Bill DeBlassio LOVES the idea. But the question arises - once everyone has had a chance to get vaccinated, why should people be forced to get vaccinated in order to protect others who choose not to get vaccinated?
     
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    A good question.

    Not sure if a blanket mandate is the right call here.
    But if one were going to consider it, or something lesser like requiring the vaccine in order to do xyz...
    Then there are likely going to be two key reasons:

    1. People who get sick with Covid fill up the hospitals, clinics, and emergency rooms en-masse, creating way more patients than those facilities are typically designed to handle, costing taxpayers money, and taking up room which would otherwise be used for people with more common health emergencies.

    2. If the virus is allowed to indefinitely circulate among large populations unchecked, then mutations are likely to occur (such as has already occurred with this Delta thing), which can lead to ever deadlier and or more contagious strains of the virus that are more effective at surviving and replicating. Such mutations may eventually circumvent current vaccinations, threatening not only the unvaccinated but even the currently vaccinated as well.

    ...There may be more reasons that just those two, but those are what I could think of off the top of my head.

    -Meta
     
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    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Very insightful. Are you talking in a United States context?
     
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    meta answered pretty well above.

    the idea is that if we can stop this from circulating long enough that those who have it either stop spreading it or die. it requires the horrible sacrifice of wearing masks and not spreading the damn thing. vaccination appears to offer the best chance of a milder case and continued life,

    but in the end, i think you should be free to remain in a death cult if that is your religion.

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    "Those who have it" as in those who are symptomatic?
     
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    asymptomatic, even vaccinated can spread the stuff.
     
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    are people being forced by the government to take the vaccine in Australia? here in the USA, no one is forced
     
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    the Trump's also owned this building, imagine if Biden or Obama's family owned that

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    Why is the government trying to tell people what to do with their bodies? Aren't they aware of Roe v Wade?
     
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    A mandate is not force, it's a choice. Get the vax or you will be subjected to covid tests twice per week. In some areas, the choice is get the vax or don't show up for work.

    The federal government cannot force anyone to vaccinate, nor should anyone force anyone to do any medical procedure, though they are allowed to put pressure on folks with mandates to promote safety and save lives.
     
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    Are you really that unaware?

    R v W doesn't spread as viruses spread to infect the general population.
     
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    Yeah, but you talked about, "those who have it" who "either stop spreading it or die."
     
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    I believe the vaccinated won't spread it as much, but I'll have to check the facts on that.
     
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    To end the pandemic?
    To protect those like children and the immune comprimised who can't take the vaccine?
    To show they are willing to make a sacrifice to end the crowds in the hospital emergency rooms?
    to hasten business recovery?
    To make sure school students won't have to wear masks all day?

    I am sure there are people who can't take the vaccine, but I do not understand the people who don't want to get it for political reasons when getting it might help do all the other things they want to happen economically etc.
     
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    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL "but hillary eats the baaabies"
     
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    Not yet, but I fear that we're heading that way.

    Yeah, I know that, but are you confident that it will remain that way?
     
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    What's the relevance of the building?
     
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    Does this mean that you agree with bakers not being allowed to legally choose to not participate in same sex weddings?
     
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    Why should people be forced to get the vaccine in order to protect others who choose not to get it?

    No one is being forced to get the vaccine.
     
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    Save WHICH lives exactly? Vaccinated lives?
     
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    I assume that you know just how unlikely it is that a child under 12 will die from COVID.
     
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    I didn't say that they are, but it's being discussed. De blassio wants it.
     
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    So you worry about what might possibly happen in a state of a country you don’t live in?
     
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    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    How do you know where I live?
     
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    Have you forgotten you’ve mentioned where you’re from in the past???
     
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