Why Turkey should be NEVER included EU?

The answer is simple, because it hates Christians, it has already killed dozens millions of Christians, it want to push all Christians away, either to immigration or to death. There are too much evidences of brutally Persecution of Christians in this EU - "Candidate", the last example you can read below. Can you imagine yourself the outrage of Turks, the outcry due to "huge damaging of Human Rights" if for example the Germany Government, which currently help to finance almost all of 2,500 Mosques in Germany, dare to cut its payments only by 2 %? BTW forty years ago were only 11 Mosques in Germany.In Turkey since the last 1400 years was erected no one new church.

Europa need completely other politicians because today's morons are to dumb to understand that they kill the European Civilization and help to transform it to a continent where only camels and donkeys will be seen on former highways in fifty years.

BTW it is well-known that Turkey will give immediately its citizenship to every foreign Muslim who it desire with only one condition, not to settle themselves in Turkey but to immigrate further to Europa with newly acquired Turk's citizenship in the case after Turkey get EU - Membership.

For more quickly Islamization!

http://www.zenit.org/article-31788?l=english

 

"It" may hate Christians and what is the solution to that? Exclusion? Detachment? Isolation?

No. Interaction...

If you want to influence Turkey or any other country, you have to know them. They have to know you.

If you exclude Turkey, what opportunity is there to influence and change the attitudes you find worrying?

Let them into the EU and then dine on them. It's the only way to write change...ask Ireland.

 

1. Resurrection of True Christianity in Europa, at best the US - Christian Rights will get died fluffy-bunny "churches", but without their politically correct cowardly homers-"priests".

2. Resurrection of Christian Moral Values and Conservatism.

3. Prohibition of terrible utopias like Marxism and Communism which are still feeding the naive people like liberals or socialists.

4. Fewer government, more freedom for people, like in the US till communist Obama.

5. Clearly plan what pursue Europa and what it want.

Conclusion: Europa is Christian, and will be Christian, for ever!

 

Pot/kettle I'm afraid. Bible thumpers are bible thumpers whatever the religion. There is no freedom either way.

Religion-free Europe sounds less conflicted.

 

Europeans don't care much about the Judeo-Christian ethic. They are all secular humanists of one type or another.

Turkey has loads of hate for Jews and Christians alike.

EU has enough savages among it's numbers.

 

Isnt Istanbul in Turky?

 

Didn't you say Europe will be a Muslim country in like 50 years from now? Which one is it now?

 

Yes, why do you ask?

 

Lawl Ostap aren't you just tired because mods close your threads over and over, especially here and Eastern European section and getting banned over and over :Bored:

Turkey does not "hate" Christians or Jews... It just is not secular enough, especially with our current Erdoğan regime sadly... Not long ago, Turkish officials joined Holocaust commemoration in a synanogue in Turkey... and before it Turkish Jews gave Gül loyalty messages...

On the other hand I'm aware Christian situtation in Turkey is not good. Some Turkish (and other) Christians were killed by sick individuals etc. years ago... Some churches were restored in Turkey recent years but I believe Christian situtation would be improved if we could de-elect Party of Justice and Development (as the article suggests) who still seek "moar freedom for Islam" and elect CHP who are more tolerant towards other religions (That's why many Alevis support them)

 

He also opposes Turkey being admitted into EU because Europe is supposed to be Christian and yet he never thinks that Turkey joining EU would improve Christian situtation in Turkey, in same logic?

 

Isnt there a big church in Istanbul that got sacked twice? Once by Crusaders, again by Muslims.

 

It has become a museum today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagia_Sophia

 

I never knew what that building was. Thanks.

I always knew I wanted to visit it though. Istanbul is a very nice city.

 

Kosovo is kinda administered by EU and Albanians destroyed every single church there with NATO soldiers mainly watching it.

 

Hagia Sophia?

Edit: I should learn to not answer post by post before reading what comes next

 

Me too!

The fact it has been a museum for more than 70 years pleads in favor of Turkey's secularism.

I wish Notre-Dame were turned into a museum, too, or even better, a gothic nightclub

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limelight

 

You should learn the real history. If you look at the building date of the churches most of them built on Ottoman Era. When Sultan Mehmed concured the Konstantinapole the city was destroyed. Sultan Mehmed ordered the restoration the churches and to built new churches. On the other hand many of the churches transformed to Mosques, specially big churches, this was a strategy it doesn't mean there is not any church built for last 1400 years. Sultan Mehmed give more power to Patriarch of Orthodox with his ferman, patriarch was equal to vizier.

 

Haha that picture of the place in NYC, was on a game I played awhile ago. Where you have to fight crime or something and the goths had a mafia

 

Istanbul is one of the best destination for a vocation for 1 -2 weeks. Hundereds of friends, guests had come to Istanbul and we traveled went to conserts drink eat together with them, non of them told me they didn't like Istanbul, and people. All of them told that it was one of the best vocation for them.

Friends like you Hush Hush always welcome to Istanbul,,,

 

I want to see that place before I die...ancient, beautiful hugely historically important. I've heard it said all religious sites since aspire to Hagia Sophia, it is the bedrock of churches...

Was it built by Theodora, or by her husband? Now there was a woman...

 

Aya Sofya Church is constructed as a church between 532 and 537 on the orders of the Byzantine Emperor Justinian I. (husbant of Teodora)

It is transformed to mosque with the same name on the orders of the Ottoman Emperor II. Mehmed. when it is transformed the mosaics covered-closed with a kind of material so nowadays cultural ministry of Turkey is opening more mosaic making retorartions on it. there are still figures of christianity and Islam at the museum.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Hagia_Sophia_Interior_Virgin_2007.JPG

Also Sultanahmed mosque as beautiful as Agia Sofia for arthitecture which is 5 min. far away to Agia Sofia;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sultan_Ahmed_Mosque_Istanbul_Turkey_retouched.jpg

 

Are these both open to the Public for visiting? Other places I have been did not allow visitors to enter, women in particular.

 

Thank you. I would love to visit. I am a fool for sweets. I will spend most of my time eating Turkish Delights

 

It is both open to public, for Woman or Man or Gay. Due to its is still a mosque in use in Sultanahmed Mosque some woman wears headscarf before entering some are not. it is not mandatory to able to enter, just you should take of your shoes...

In Tukey in touristic Mosques it is like this, in non touristic mosques woman and man has different parts...