Why Turkey should be NEVER included EU?

LOL my born given name is Jacob. Still jewish, as well as that hebrew name my grandma used to call me, Yaakov

 

Your funny.

Jewish status is determined by Maternal descent. And even though my family assimilated, I am still Jewish. I can bring up the halacha ruling if youd like

Funny I just made it to, 3rd generation. But I am accepted by Jews with unassimilated familes, as being Jewish

 

It was getting "heated".

I didnt think you was homosexual!

 

okay after doing a little search of my own, i found out, jews can go to dubai as long as they dont bring there israeli passports since israeli isnt recognized by UAE as a state, and not have an israeli stamp on there whatever nationality passport they are holding, you can go with your american passport but for safety dont mention your jewish, it might not be a problem and it could be a problem, but better be safe than sorry

 

ONly a stupid Jew would go to Arab country and proclaim to be Jewish.

We Jews are not that dumb, to tell our enemies we are who they hate

Okay "enemies" is the wrong term. Better to say, wouldnt tell people who could be hostile, that we are who they would be hostile towards.

 

jews according to moderate muslims who practice islam the right way dont regard jews as enemies, i dont, i regard zionists as my enemy but that doesnt mean i cant talk and come to a conclusion with them, cause im sure theres many things wed agree on apart from politics, but when it comes to radical muslims, im not affiliated with and those are the ones who are scary, even i am scared of them at times, they dont know the difference between muslims and muslims, they kill there own to prove there point, christians and jews

that is true, but sometimes the name is easily recognized if its jewish anyways, doesnt have to be the authorities, the ordinary people can tell and if theyr not sure, they will be suspiscious, im guessing your name is western

its okay enemies we are when it comes to politics as im sure politically you see and believe things differently then i do which makes us enemies since it results in many deaths to both ends, but im sure if we played a game of soccer, squash, tennis, basketball, baseball etc... wed be good friends, i dont like generalizing really, its mostly emotions that get the best of us and the bad cycle starts from there

 

Majority of Turkish nation is against EU anyway.

 

Have you a link for that?

 

Majority of Turks thinks what their father thinks, their religional leader or their party leader thinks such as many nations.

Today if you go to street in Turkey and ask people if they prefer EU passport or Turkish passport you will see the result, majority will choose EU passport.

 

theres nothing better than having your own nationality passport and be proud of it in any airport, infact make it even stronger, just like the brits americans canadians etc.. especially with the rich and proud history of turkey as an independent nation

 

I herd many Turkish citizens are really National, almost to the point of Nazi type of National pride./

 

Everybody has their own opinion.Religious leader sentence didnt make sense either.Its foolish.Maybe you would prefer a EU passport but if you really live in Turkey,you should know how the support for EU membership decreased dramatically in recent years.EU is beneficial only for businesmen and the elites.

 

Considering your avatar,I guess you are from Israel originaly.If we should talk about Nazi type of nationalism (which Israel is worse than Nazi Germany ever was if you ask me) and what kind of things are being done,how much blood is spilled,it is kind of hard to break Israel's record in that field.I am talking politicaly.I am an atheist so dont blame me for being a fanatic turkish muslim.

 

May I ask from who you heard this claim from, Ezra?

 

LOL! Sorry, but Turks are extremely nationalistic -- which is a major concern for me to be quite honest. I want Turkey to join the EU, and Turkey will join the EU -- not a doubt about that.

I just think a lot of Turks think that, when they have joined, there will be something as a European-Turkish Union.

 

Just like NATO-Turkish union? Oh wait we have never heard about it

 

There is an extreme of Turkish nationalism, of course. All nationalisms are a spectrum, with some very nasty people at one end - it's all a matter of whereabouts on the spectrum the majority of civic society lives.

The extreme nationalists in Turkey are pro-Israel. That's how bad they are.

 

Belgians will be called Coastline Turks then. There is no need for them to not speak Turkish, there isn't a Belgian language anyway ...

 

We observe two different things I guess.

It was the extreme Nationalist that even made a movie about a retaliation to the flotilla incident, where a Turk goes to Israel and takes on Israel by himself.

 

Lol I am not an Israeli.

 

Its more of an observance.

But I am not from Turkey, So I may be mistaken of course. And I will admit that. Maybe just a misconception.

 

No, not a misconception.

Turkey, in general, is extremely nationalistic.

It's even so nationalistic that there is a clausule called "Article 301":

Think about that for a second and just imagine there would be a Article 301 in the USA?! A crime to insult "Americanness" -- it would be a crime to not like baseball or apple pie -- or what?

Also -- interesting:

Ban was lifted only a couple of months ago, back in 2010.

Could you imagine YouTube being banned because there would be a vid on it saying that the Founding Fathers were dumb sh!ts?!

 

Actually I know Turkish nationalists that are anti-Erdoğan, they see him as threat nationalism for being such an Islamist and pro-Arab so that having either having pro-Israeli or anti-Arab stance. This does not apply to all of them though, some are my observations from YouTube channels.

 

I was talking about the people in general. If majority of Turks were nationalistic, I wish they were, we wouldn't have Erdoğan elected so far. Almost all nationalists are getting arrested over by the excuse of having ties to "Ergenekon" today. Its a kind of digesting opposition and nationalism.

Brazil also have done the same thing before. I don't appretice it though, it was really pain in the butt to me get through the ban via proxies or DNS changes

 

We are nationalistic, so what?
dont use that word like its a bad thing.
we have a national identity to be proud of- a historical identity that goes back 4000 years.
an identity that got involved with many different cultures, from chinese to european, arabic to northern african- turks as a whole- one of the most interesting and oldest civilizations in the world.

so yes, we are proud of our national heritage.

but what would you know as a belgian? or an american (who also dont have enough national heritage)
you are a mixture of dutch, german and french. you dont have half the national heritage that we have.
(this is not to insult you- really its not- its a fact)

i would respect a greek- or a chinese- or a japanese, if they claim Turks are "Ultra" nationalistic, i would respect them. (because they are just like turks, they have very old cultural and historical roots)
But Americans, Belgians, etc... no offense guys but you dont have enough years of historical heritage to judge our level of nationalism.

and going back to the topic:
please please please, dear mr.cocky europeans, dont ever let Turkey in, because i would not want Turkey be a puppet of your tiny region with a old population.
Turkey doesnt need you, doesnt want you, and those Turks that wants you- well- feel free to take them with you.