Why we see so many pro-Palestinian demonstrations?

but it didn't .. The two year old playing in yonder sand box was no threat to your child .. nor was there any other threat around .. Do you know what the meaning of Collective punishment is Yabber ?

 

Parents are responsible for the safety of their children. They stand in the gap for them when in their youth. We all must take responsibility for the powers that govern us. Here in our own country, we have Mayorkas selling us out as a nation. He must be removed from power. In Gaza, they allowed Hamas to be in power. There is consequences. I assume you take lightly (or just don't seem to care) about the threats of Hamas to remove Israel and all the Jews off the map. I will side with the Israeli culture and how they regard life any day over the Palestinian regard. Do you like the idea of marching the "gender confused" off of tall buildings? Does that fit your own Progressive standards?

 

All irrelevant to what you wrote and I responded to. Bin Laden said American civilians were fair targets because they democratically elected a government that did things he objects to. You are saying Palestinian civlians are fair targets because they democractically elected Hamas..... The former is true. The later far less so, given that most Palestinians alive today did not vote in that election and indeed most were not even born yet.

No, it does not. Nothing I wrote above sounds like agreement with genocide or the killing of civilians. What you wrote DOES.

 

Do you understand the meaning of "collateral damage" in war oh giftedone? Especially when the enemy hides under the sandboxes of it's children?

 

Oh, I understood your question. You just don't understand context and you are showing your age as a young buck. In 1978 for instance, we had four networks: ABC, CBS, NBC, and PBS. These stations, local and national rarely did any international news. If it did, it had a direct impact on the US government or the US Economy. Thus the 1978 Afghan Civil war was not broadcast in print or visual media. In those days, most Americans probably couldn't begin to guess where Afghanistan was on the map, much less its history. In 2003, we had the Iraqi Conflict, which we invaded started, and contributed to the Iraqi casualties of some 300k, mostly by the internal strife once Saddam Hussein was deposed. But this is because we had no exit strategy once we accomplished. But there were protests against US involvement in Iraq, and it was covered. it was the first media war in the age of the internet, cable, etc. The others you mentioned were reported by some US news, but they were not protested because the US government was not involved. That is the key in all you are reporting and why there are protests by both Jews and Palestinians in the Hamas-Israel war. We have a vested interest simply because of our population includes people from both sides of the conflict and it involves the US government in one way or the other.

 

You lie,because I have never in my entire life have said civilians are fair targets. Palestinians are collateral damage when allowing Hamas to use them as shields. They were given every warning to get out of the way. As an American, if I saw a threat such as Hamas taking hold of my country, either I would seek refugee in another country with my family, or better yet, after securing my families safety, I woul djoin others in fighting that takeover. It would by my responsibility. Sorry you don't see things that way. You would allow Hamas to continue in the shelter of irresponsible and sometimes co-mingling Palestinians.

 

That is BS. parents are indeed responsible for the upbringing of their children. They can advise, but they cannot be around them 24/7/365. I take it you never had children. We can teach them, and pray/hope for the best that they listen to our advice, even if they are adults. That being said, many will "sacrifice" themselves to save their children, which may include sending them to the US. Once they are here, we have laws that govern how we accept them, treat them, process them, etc.

 

Of course, I have never pretended to draw distinctions between innocent victims of Hamas and innocent victims of Netanyahu. Innocent victims are innocent victims.

Most civilized nations and decent people everywhere have pleaded for a cease fire to end the wanton slaughter of children and babies.

Protesters in Israel call for ceasefire

Thousands Call for Netanyahu's Removal Across Israel

Protesters in Tel Aviv take aim at Netanyahu

Jewish peace activists across the US call for immediate ceasefire​

 

It is not a question of understanding collateral damage. But reckless destruction by targeting a person in the middle of a safe zone or in a crowded area is the same as the Luftwaffe strafing convoys that have wounded soldiers fleeing the battlefield in WW2. Same thing. Israel is doing this to a group of people who were told to go safe havens and yet they were still bombed.

Now, if a member of Hamas is there, is a leader, then use covert means to extract them or eliminate them, thus minimizing colorectal damage as much as possible. But Netanyahu does not want that because he wants to subjugate the Palestinians. In his words, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank are to become part of Israel eventually, per the doctrine of the Likuid Party and the far-right extremists within Israel.

 

You think a 7 year old has a choice in that?

That's a lie. They were not. They were told to go south and now the south is being bombed. The vast majority of deaths have been of Palestinian civilians.

You think they can just leave? No, they can't. They don't have the freedom of movement that you do. They can't secure their family's safety. That's kind of one of the major problems here.

 

Why would you say such a thing? I have 5 and 6 grandchildren. I would never allow them to be subordinate to Hamas. You?

 

Tell me then....who stops them? Doesn't Hamas treat them well?

 

From what I understand many Palestinians from the West Bank are employed in Israel. Why is that? Doesn't West Bank enjoy prosperity? Or do they spend their money on war like things as they did in Gaza, building tunnels and rockets? If Mexico started raids on the U.S., firing rockets and hiding in tunnels, I would demand my leaders to annex Mexico into the U.S. so we never had to deal with that again. If what you say is true, (and I don't believe it) I wouldn't blame them one bit! Ancient Israel were taught to wash their hands before eating. Palestinian were told just to wipe with their left hand.

 

And what happens if one of your grandchildren went to the Gaza Strip on October 3rd, 2023 to volunteer to build a house and stayed there for a week? Will you disapprove? disown them? or what? Remember, there were some 400 people in Gaza from all over the world, some there to study, some to visit family, etc, but were trapped there like hostages on October 7th and beyond. However, the people who live there, in the Gaza Strip, were driven from their ancestral homes in 1948 in what is now called Israel. Second, not all voted for Hamas, but they don't have the 2a, freedom of speech, or other things. You are putting "first world" ideas in a place that neither accepts nor understands "first world" ideas. It is not like they didn't have a choice and now they are being bombed, which is a major recruitment force with Hamas. It is a double-edged sword.

 

And you repeat the whole process. The anti semites return to kill Jews.

 

You can no more stop them than you can stop someone like Dylan Roof, the KKK, Atomwaffen, and other similar groups.

If you look at the history of Hamas, Israel did not pay them any mind in 1967, after the 6 days war and the beginning of the occupation by Israeli forces in the Gaza Strip and West Bank. They grew over time, in part, by the policies of Israel. It is a symbiotic relationship, in a weird sort of way.

Create a two-nation state with the Gaza Strip and the whole West Bank as part of the country called Palestine, allow international forces to monitor the situation, and decrease the wanton destruction of Palestinian homes. I will guarantee it won't stop Hamas, but it will stop most of the harm being done by Israeli policies that go back a couple of generations.

 

So they aren't 1st world people and they don't accept 1st world ideas. So you want to preserve that?? You want them to continue pushing the gender confused off of tall buildings? Oppressing women? Teaching their children to annihilate Jewish people?
What if one of my grandchildren went to western Israel, like 30 Americans did, and was tortured, raped or killed by some of these paragliding monkees? Yes, I would join the IDF if they'd have me!

 

There were Palestinian Jews and Christians before 1967. What happened to them?? Muslims do not tolerate them. By the way, the term "Palestinian" as a people was something made up by Yasser Arafat. He didn't include those Jews and Christians because he wanted that division.

 

Do you have no compassion for the thousands of innocents, mostly children, who continue to be slaughtered?

 

Not how it works .. and you were asked a question relating to the responsibilities you claim to have .. for the powers that Govern you.

What's the problem .. did you not understand the question ? .. going out telling others they are responsible for the actions of governing powers .. have to rise up against these powers .. .. OK .. What have you done to prevent the atrocity of Rotten Ronnie .. to rise up and remove this evil .. such that you figure your children deserve death for the much deserved recompense for Rotten Ronny's actions ?

Something not clicking in here .. the consequences of your extremist fascist neocon war monger might is right position .. completely void of moral consideration ... or consideration that the other side .. now has the same might as us .. no longer are we living in the 90s .. when we could get away with such a position .. but just wrong on so many more levels .. and negative for the USA .. costing us dearly at present .. the dog being wagged around by the tail

What a joke .. calling me "Progressive" when it is you who have jumped on the Prog neocon .. we love Israel no matter the evil .. cancel culture band wagon. Isn't that a priceless piece of irony. and you who .. as stated above .. seems oblivious of the consequences of your Nasto - position harming the USA ..alongside moral bankruptcy .

Who do you think put Hamas in Power in Gaza by the way .. Oh .. right was the Palestinians .. thus justifying collective punishment of children .. but OH .. wait .. NO ? they had some outside assistance friend .. and who you think might those regime change specialists be .. the best in the West since Rotten Ronnie.

Then Tell us what you did to overthrow Rotten Ronnie .. take some responsibility for the actions of the Powers that Govorn .. floor now yours.

 

Hamas, Israel, Egypt all stop them. You seem to be completely blind to Israel's failings here while able to see all of the others. Why is that?

 

this^^^^

 

seems the reverse is true among lots of the anti IDF=pro Hamas posters. They complain when non-combatants are harmed by Israel even though that is mainly caused by the Hamas cowards hiding among non-combatants, but they don't protest what Hamas did or that Hamas actively sacrifices civilians for propaganda reasons

 

US politicians see 'israel' as a stronghold of Western civilization* in the Middle East.

Some European states are hostile to Israel, most are neutral, only Germany is strongly pro-Israel because of the Holocaust.

*) I think their view is fundamentally wrong. 'israel' is a foreign state of its own with only little connection to western values & culture. 'israel' deserves no solidarity from a Western point of view!

 

What Hamas did is nothing short of attrocity. We can condemn them while also condemning Israel for its treatment and killing of innocent Palestinian civilians.

It is was that so many will recognize one but not the other, regardless of which they will and which they won't.