Will you support Trump if he is convicted of a crime?

It's not about "NO MATTER WHAT" it's about these charges are politically motivated. That is what the thread topic is about, the current criminal charges.

 

Kinda like trump and his seditious conspiritors trying to overturn the election.

 

Total bullcrap. The proof is that people voted for him is 2016 at which point he had no policies other than talk. He was totally voted on because of his personality of “being outspoken and telling it like it is”.

 

You really don't, got it. Now I understand your confusion since Bill Barr was in trump's pocket from the beginning to when it was just too much and he was afraid if he supported his election lies "he" would end up in jail.

But that's not how it has worked for every other President before trump and it's not how it's working now that President Biden is ... President. The DOJ, while under the Executive Branch on a organizational chart, it's always operated independent of meddling by the President. IF it was ever questionable why (which it wasn't), the tRump/Barr association has made it evident.

 

It appears that trump is already serving time in the minds of many. (In some cases, its solitary confinement!)

I suppose my vote only counts if I vote the way random guys on the internet want me to vote. Thank you for your binary thought.

 

No they are not. Trump is a criminal that's been indicted 91 times by grand jury's, that's NOT political.

 

Depends on what he's convicted on. For example, if he's convicted on Documents-gate, that would be a rubicon for me, because I have always been a strong proponent of national security and not returning the documents when asked is a national security issue.

On the other hand, I do not believe anyone "overturned" the election, or tried to. We know this, because tragically, the old yeller(Biden) is POTUS. So if he gets convicted of that, that doesn't change my view.

 

That's what I wanted to prove. That it makes no difference to them. They'll vote for him regardless. So we need to keep that in mind when we discuss the evidence. They don't care! I think they are only trying to appease their conscience.

However, on the other hand, they have no credibility if they complain about any Democrat breaking the law. They don't care about the law. It's all politics.

 

If people think the charges are bullshit and the court system is politically corrupt, why would a conviction change anyones mind?

 

Now that's a conspiracy theory!

 

Well now you have it in writing.

 

Then you're fundamentally unable to understand my position.

 

Most Americans don't. Mike admitted; "Oh sure. If I don't think he's guilty of an actual crime, why would conviction change my opinion?", that is doesn't matter what happens his supporters are going to vote for him.

 

I understand your, and that of all his supporters, position on every level.

 

All evidence to the contrary.

 

The evidence that he tried to overturn the election is already overwhelming. And this is ONLY the evidence that has been made public at this point. You can be sure there is more. However, your position is principled even though I disagree with it. Personally I believe that even so much as an attempt to overturn our democracy and attempt (even the attempt alone) to become a dictator is the worst national security issue imaginable.

Again, I do respect your position, though.

 

Why would they? It just further cements their thoughts on corruption.

It would be like the ACLU changing their opinion on a unfounded charge against a minority because a jury finds them guilty.

 

You really believe that don't you? Did Hillary get indicted under Trump? No.

Trump was indicted under Biden for having documents after he was out of office which happened with several presidents and vice presidents including Biden himself. It's pretty obvious Biden weaponized the DOJ. It's also occurring outside of Trump as everyday citizens on the right are prosecuted for anything under the sun while ANTIFA. He labels us MAGA terrorists while refusing to call ANTIFA the terrorist group they are. He even delisted the Houthis as a terrorist group while labeling parents as terrorists. https://edworkforce.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=407762

Biden has weaponized the government against us. Biden has declared war on us. So yes, I'd vote for Trump.

 

It was easier than I thought it would be. I was expecting strawman arguments, red herrings and a lot of tap-dancing. But no... they just came right out of the closet and said it: they are willing to support a convicted criminal for President. Amazing!

 

You position is simple: you would vote for a convicted criminal. Not difficult at all. You can try to justify this, tap dance and twist yourself in knots all you want. But that's the bottom line...

 

I think it's part of the gap you have in understanding the right, and particularly how the right views itself. Otherwise you wouldn't be shocked by this answer. If you think the justice system is corrupt, why would a corrupt verdict dissuade you from a candidate?

 

I will give an answer to the question of supporting Trump if convicted of a crime: My answer is NO!

 

I was gonna make a thread on this idea, and you can argue that my feelings are because my position is in the minority, but I truly feel democracy has become a dictatorship of the system. We are bound to the 'democratic process' enshrined by the two political parties who benefit from it and as such, won't meaningfully change policy no matter how bad conditions get.

I would rather follow someone who is capable of organizing a social-political movement, then a cog machine system that only cares about its own bottom line.

 

So what if the charges are politically motivated, or have any other motivation for that matter?
If the law takes it’s course and Trump is found not guilty so be it, if the law takes it’s course and Trump is found guilty he has to face up to consequent sanctions like anybody else.

 

MAGA a definite yes.
Law and order citizens. No.