Women share their abortion experiences

As I said..I was young and had been divorced young. It was a hit to the self esteem, even if the divorce was my choice. So yes, my choice in men at the time was lacking. I spent alot of time single after that and figured out alot about myself and what I deserve.

 

I always hear about "choice" in the context of health, but that is it, thanks for sharing your story, more information in your post than I heard in most every other post.

 

Well written. Believe this organization perspective is from the secular (worldly) so I wouldn't expect a member following the "We are a secular organization" mantra to find validation in something (anything?) originating in Natural Law.

Natural Law is what our national ancestors referenced when declaring our national independence.

Our Inalienable rights are inherent in this Law, contrasted by a right originating in common law that could be changed on precedence, in practice what man grants man can take away...ask any tyrant.

I agree with the founders.

 

Would this start with discipline and self control? Who would you say is freer? The one ruled by their passions and longings or the one who masters temptations?

Democrat Party plank is built on the bodies of the unborn, just no way for an anti-abortion conscience to come aboard.

That is very cool! Never know one day you may conceal carry. Thank you for understanding, supporting and sharing your view on the Second Amendment. Now that thread, located to the right of gun control?

 

Never thought of it in that light.

 

About freedom of religion and equality for all men?


"Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person's life, freedom of religion affects every individual. Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the "wall of separation between church and state," therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society."--Thomas Jefferson

 

What you believe are 'temptations' I believe to be natural and normal urges and desires. I act upon them regularly and safely. The freest person is the one who is free to do as they please with their life and take control and responsibility for themselves in their own way and not being forced to follow someone else's idea of 'freedom and responsibility'.

Believe whatever you like. While I tend to agree with the Dems and liberals on social policies I also disagree with many of the beliefs they hold and so I do not align myself with them. I am a Libertarian.

I doubt I will ever conceal carry because I have never felt comfortable around firearms, obviously this comes from my lack of understanding how to operate one mostly. But I could really care less if someone else carries. This is off-topic however.


I am very tired of people trying to derail this topic by pointing fingers at the Democrats or the liberals and making silly comparisons between abortion and slavery, abortion rights and right to bear arms, etc. Many people here keep saying these things assuming that all of us who support the right to choose are also aligned with the Democratic party when we are not. Many of us just believe in the Constitution and the basic right to have full ownership and medical authority over our own bodies.

Truly though, it has always baffled me as to how the conservatives who are so in love with the idea of small government and less intrusion into our lives would be so in favor of the pro-life side, a philosophy which in fact believes in bigger government and a very deep and personal intrusion into a woman's own body and personal life. http://jeffscottshow.com/2012/06/25/the-conservative-pro-choice-argument/

 

Because conservatives/Republicans view women as "less than" men...as nothing more than breeding stock that must be controlled....power and control....that's what the Anti-Choice , Anti-Women faction is all about...

 

A whole lot of it is that pro-lifers are religious nuts who want the world to be as it was when the church was the master .. what they don't seem to understand is that the church is the biggest type of government there is, one that interferes in the lives of the people probably more than anything else.
We hear all the time that casual sex is not right, and yet we are not the only mammal that engages in casual sex .. dolphins are another, and before people say its different, there is research currently going on that is finding dolphins are nearly as intelligent as humans, some scientists are even advocating dolphins should be classified a non-human persons.
http://news.discovery.com/animals/dolphin-intelligence-explained.html

 

I am not going to make assumptions about what I think they really stand for, but I would very much like them to address why they want bigger government and more intrusion in people's lives when it comes to this one aspect of people's personal choices.

 

The unborn is given no consideration at all. They are simply regarded as an "it," a lump of cells...

It's this approach to the unborn, that I believe is a "wrong." Regardless of the law, regardless of the religious view...to me it is wrong.

Abortion shouldn't solely be about Women's rights...the unborn deserve some nominal consideration, can we not agree?

Each one of us developed the same as the fetus who was unlucky enough to be conceived in the womb of a woman, who didn't want it.

Seems a rather cold-hearted, Social Darwinian approach to the miracle of birth.

Those who are wanted, who will be loved, cared for...step to the right, you get to live...
Those who are are unwanted, who are regarded as parasitic, as an inconvenience...step to the left, you will be killed.

Life's value becomes arbitrary..a matter of luck, and no more.

You live because someone cared enough to keep you alive...allowed you to develop in the womb.
You are alive solely because of random chance, you weren't conceived by a woman who was either pressured to abort you or made her own choice to abort you.

Life is simply a roll of the dice, and well...I find that rather disheartening.

 

How can you presume to speak for something that never existed? Answer: You can't.

 

You...me...anyone who can read this...

DENY all you want...LIE to yourself all you want...

This is YOU at 3 months in the womb...perfectly legal to rip from the womb and throw away in the bio-hazard trash.
I speak for YOU and all the unborn...and we were ALL the unborn at some point in our lives.



Aborting this unborn person is wrong.
I don't care what the Supreme Court decided.

 

I still don't get how you know what the unborn have to say....do you use a crystal ball?, hold a seance?(oh, forget that, that's for dead people who actually existed at one time).


And you don't speak for me or anyone else....just yourself.

 

The use of fetus dolls is fetishism, very creepy.

 

You see this is where you are wrong, the unborn are given consideration when they reach the stage of viability which is around 24 weeks, hence why in most countries where abortion is legal it is illegal to perform an abortion after then unless it is for medical reasons.
There are few, if any, abortions performed after this time simply by the woman asking for it, 88% of abortions are performed within the first 12 weeks (and the majority of them within 9 weeks).
While it is true that at conception it is the continuation of an individual life, it is by no means an independent sentient life. Pro-lifers often come back at that by saying that a newborn is not independent .. however it is in a few very special ways :- it can process its own air to oxygenate its blood and it can ingest "food" to fuel its self, almost any person in the world can care for a newborn, yet only a mother can do so while it is in the womb .. it is as much a part of her as is her lungs, liver or heart.

Other things that pro-lifers never seem to want to look at is the effect a law banning abortion would have, such as;

1. Increase in children in care by as much as 114,000 per year (in the US alone)
2. The declining of people willing to adopt or foster
3. That any abortion law would only have an effect on the poor, the rich would just go to another country to get it done.
4. How would every miscarriage be investigated, how would it be decided if a miscarriage were natural or elective
5. Back street abortions would increase where desperate woman would go and quite probably a large number of them would die.

Despite all of that, the one and only main reason why abortion should remain legal is simply it is a womans right to have control over her own body and the decisions she makes concerning her own body.

 

Well said, take heart in the fact that your views are shared by others.

 

Life has always been a roll of the dice, nothing to do with abortion

 

As a general principle and pursuit? Yes.

As to your quote attributed to Thomas Jefferson, I searched it out and found this; http://www.monticello.org/site/blog-and-community/posts/how-bogus-quotes-are-born. I do not know to a certainty that your quote (somebody did write it) attribution (TJ) is bogus, inaccurate or paraphrased, but it is listed on this site, just sharing the wealth.

I do not want the government acting as an enforcement army for one or many groups any more than I want President Obama and his minions to enforce Modern Humanism, targeting moral conscience and religious rights/tenets for assassination.

 

We have our religious, moral and philosophical differences but you express yourself very well. Nicely said.

I'm not so sure, without the support of government, abortion on demand business would have been able to claim so many victims. At least two for every abortion.

 

Thank you. It is pleasing to have some civil discourse in this particular forum from time to time.

Abortion has been happening since humanity realized that sex leads to pregnancy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion

With or without the support of the government abortion would continue to occur within society, however I have to say that without government legalization and regulation it would still be deadly and devastating to women and would probably be one of the leading causes of the maternal mortality rates.

 

There is NO government support of abortion. It is to be hoped that government could remain neutral on the subject of abortion, but alas, legislators are prone to vote for and fund every piece of legislation that comes down the pike to make abortion more difficult to get, and on the other hand, freely fund Crisis Pregnancy Centers in order to prevent abortions. Women who freely choose abortions are not victims.

 

Ah, a qualifier which means nothing.

If only you were so diligent about fact-checking your own claims.

What is your evidence to fear Obama's enforcing Modern Humanism, targeting moral conscience and religious rights/tenets for assassination? If by moral conscience you are referring to Hobby Lobby's lawsuit, be aware that HL had provided contraceptive coverage since 2000 before the sudden "moral conscience" objection twelve years later, coincidentally at the same time ACA took effect.

 

Abortions had taken place in the hospital setting prior to Roe vs. Wade and laws existed in many states that specified what would not be a purposeful criminalized abortion. With the federal government judicial interest becoming a player in the abortion industry the money making potential grew exponentially, allowing the potential targeting of all unborn throughout the maternal social/economic spectrum.