Would you fight Jesus to free the Jews from his concentration camp?

Question: people bravely fought and died fighting Hitler, to help free the Jews.....similarly, would you fight Jesus to free those same Jews from Jesus' own version of a Jewish concentration camp ("hell"), if you had that ability?

Me, yes, I'd have fought against Hitler to free the Jews (I'm a Modern Secular Humanist, but love Jews, Muslims, etc.), and if I had the power I'd also fight against Jesus to free those same Jews from Jesus' own concentration camp - the "hell" that he sends moral Jews to since they don't believe in John 14:6. First Hitler kills them, and then Jesus takes over and tortures them mercilessly, so those two are sort of the dynamic-duo of evil.

But what about you, would you fight against Jesus to free moral, innocent people, if you had that power?

To be intellectually consistent, if you'd fight Hitler to free Jews, then believe that you'd fight Jesus for those same Jews, as well.

PS I like the philosopher Jesus, who may have said "love your neighbor" etc., and Christians, but not the alleged "divine/prophet" Jesus.

 

Jesus told us that the Holocaust was coming [Rev 11:7-13], because the Jews opposed him in 32AD, and had not changed.

Jesus actually saw the end result would be Holocaust.
So, America DID free the Jews, as was also prophesied too, [Jer 30].

 

If I had the power, as a Modern Secular Humanist, I'd have an obligation to fight Jesus, because I love everybody so much.

 

Killing innocent people because their ANCESTORS might have done something bad!? That sounds like something illogical that Jesus would do.

 

Not a single country fought WW2 to save Jews, nor were soldiers motivations in saving Jews.

 

Of course you will fight Jesus because you love even evil peple who hurt kids.
You have no intention of telling Gays and Feminists that they hurt society and set up a culture which has kids producing bastards children.

You don't care about the Tax Payers who must muster up $1 trillion dollars of Welfare.
You don't care that 1.2 million abortions must be done every year, because the girls have no husbands.
You don't care about the children who are abused fatherless kids.
You don't care that 70% of all violent crime in America is by bastard adults.
You don't care that prisons are full of bastard adults which cost billions annually.

You don't care about the facts, and you deny the statistical facts.

 

Can we agree that you are moral enough to fight Jesus to free said Jews (who died in concentration camps), if you had that power?

 

It was a reality that was sure to follow.
No people have ever existed long once they lost their own home land.
The FACTS were that Jews, in diaspora, were going to get what did come done because the Truth is, it ALWAYS happens.

But, in this case, Jesus even verbally warned them in Rev 11:7-13.
What more could Jesus do except "tell them the Truth?"

 

Whoa, whoa, I prefer that people have kids in a committed loving relationship. I favor birth control in the form of contraception, as well.

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So apparently, like Hitler and Jesus, you also think it's ok for the Jews to suffer, even the moral ones, due to John 14:6 and/or for their ANCESTORS doing something that they themselves had no control over whatsoever? Sam Harris would have a moral problem with this, because he's more moral than Hitler/Jesus, by the way.

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Whoa there, you're making about as much sense as believing in a talking snake or a talking donkey does.

 

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Jesus SENT the Christian Americans to free them:

Jer 30: 3 For, lo, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, (in Nazi Europe), saith the Lord: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, (Israel), and they shall possess it.

7 Alas! That day is so great there is none like it; it is a time of distress for Jacob; yet he shall be saved out of it, (The Holocaust).

10 Then fear not, O Jacob my servant, declares the Lord, nor be dismayed, O Israel; for behold, I will save you from far away, (with Christian American Military Forces), and your offspring from the land of their captivity. Jacob shall return (to Isarel) and have quiet and ease, and none shall make him afraid.

 

Fine, but you defend a sexually promiscuous culture and oppose one that is sexually prudent for children.

 

What Sam Harris (and most all other Modern Secular Humanists) would have done, instead, would have been to use his Jesus-powers to stop the Holocaust in the first place, instead of sending the "Christian Americans to free them" after 6 million of them were slaughtered! But Sam is more moral than Jesus, so that's not surprising.

Dave, would you have taken Sam's course of action, or Jesus' (alleged) course of action? Sam's would have saved 6 million innocent lives, keep in mind. Which is it, my friend?

PS Keep posting, Dave, as I enjoy both of our efforts to try to get to the truth.

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Not at all. I'm not a bigot against gays like Jesus arguably was, but I don't advocate children, say, watching porn, etc.

 

The ONLY power of Jesus is Truth.

"I am the Truth",... he said.
Rev Martin Luther King used the Truth.
Jesus worked for him!

The Jews needed to use the Truth in 1933....

 

Hmmm,...
Jesus, demanding that we face the Truth, i.e.; that if kids see all we as adults are interested in is sexual relationships with each other, they will grow to be adults just like that.

That is the culture you aspire to maintain now that it is here.

 

I think you're referring to gays here, again, and I need to remind you that gays are, as a whole, generally better for the environment (due to likely lower general reproduction rates), for one thing. But of course I love straight and gay people equally. Generally being good for the environment is not a bad thing, I think we can both agree.

 

Well I'm not the one who is constantly, CONSTANTLY, obsessed with the topic of sex, on a religious internet forum, no less. Just sayin'.

 

Unlike Jesus/God/Allah/Mohammad, I'm not bigoted against gays, I'm tolerant, unlike them, but I'm not for people humping in the street in front of children, either.

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Nobody seems that have answered the question in the OP: would they fight Jesus to save the Jews from his concentration camp? I would, how about y'all?

 

Beat me too it....

 

You avoided the OP. Would you fight Jesus to free those same Jews from Jesus' own version of a Jewish concentration camp ("hell"), if you had that ability? We await your reply.

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You didn't answer the question: Dave, would you have taken Sam's course of action, or Jesus' (alleged) course of action? Sam's would have saved 6 million innocent lives, keep in mind. Which is it, my friend.

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So far we've had a ton of posts/views, but I appear to be the only one who would fight Jesus to save the Jews. What about the rest of you, would you fight Jesus to save the Jews from his after-life concentration camp?

 

I did not avoid the OP. I concurred in its faulty premise, but you can keep waiting if you desire. Patience is a virtue or so we are told.

 

What "power" would you be required to have?

 

The "power" to fight Jesus to free the Jews from his concentration camp. We defeated Hitler and freed Jews, and similarly, I'd want the ability to defeat Jesus and also free Jews that he sent to "hell" to get tortured over and over and over again, even moral Jews, just for picking a different super-hero than Jesus. I'd feel like Oscar Schindler.

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If you had that power, would you fight Jesus to free the Jews in "hell", or would you not. I know what Richard Dawkins would do.

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The artful dodger strikes again.

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Why can't you even say that you'd free the Jews from "hell" if you had that power? I can't imagine a caring person not wanting to do that, but maybe I'm all wrong on this. If you're a Christian, then I would question Jesus' ability to create caring, moral followers (no offense.)

 

Again, what sort of power do you need that would afford you with the ability to 'fight Jesus'? It is really a straight forward question.

More of your hypothetical scenarios. You see, I recognize that I don't have such a power and don't fantasize about having such power.

 

Thing is one would never have to fight Jesus to fee anyone, he is better than men and would not do harm to Jews. Pssst, we did not fight to save the Jews, the vast majority did not even know it was going on until the war was nearly over.

 

To be perfectly honest here, I KNEW you couldn't answer it, but I asked it anyway, to make a point. Point. Made.