Would you fight Jesus to free the Jews from his concentration camp?

Great, so then we can agree that John 14:6, and the part about the "lake of fire" are all wrong?

If he would not harm Jews, then you're saying that even non-Christians get to "heaven", and not "hell", so there is therefore no need to believe in Jesus to get an after-life reward, correct? That sounds like what you're implying.

 

Gosh, I don't know, I guess maybe "super-magic Jesus-fighting Ninja powers". Actually, I have a hard time answering that question because as a Modern Secular Humanist I'm grounded in reality so much that wild magical powers (like Jesus/god allegedly have) are hard for me to realistically imagine. It's obviously much easier to be a Christian when one is, say, 5 years old, because the bible is so similar to the fairy tales that we are constantly reading when we are 5 years old. As I mature, the fairy-tale-like Bible gets harder and harder for me to imagine as being true.

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Sure you do! You believe you have the magic power to even actually survive your own death, right!?

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We're almost onto the 4th page in this thread here, and am I still the only person who is moral enough to say they'd fight to save moral Jews from unfair eternal torture (if I had that power)? A lone voice in the moral wilderness, I guess. Jesus, in this Christian-majority society, seems to have dumbed-down our populace, morally.

 

What? Were you not able to read my answer? Have your computer monitor checked out... it may have a problem with displaying the characters sent to your computer.

 

Dawkins 1
Incorporeal 0

 

I am not the Judge, pssst neither are You.

 

In other words Jesus has failed to create decisive followers who can make solid decisions for themselves.
Modern Secular Humanists can much more easily make these types of decisions, I argue. Jesus said the only way to the father is through him in John 14:6, so non-Christians like Jews get torture, torture, and even more torture.....this isn't rocket science.

 

What if, just say, that indeed moral Jews (just say Albert Einstein remained a Jew) do get tortured, savagely, for simply making the honest mistake of picking the wrong super-hero out of the thousands on offer, would you say that Jesus/God were unfair and/or immoral?

 

Nope not in Your other words, the Bible Teaches all Christians that we are not the judge of others, and as I said it includes You. As for not being rocket science, it seems that for you that the concept might as well be.

 

Pssst, I do not believe I am in the position to Judge God, I would suggest not doing it either, but hey, feel free, just never forget choices can and do have consequences.

 

I guess I'm just more fearless than religious people are. More confident that science will eventually explain everything (it explains back about 13.5 billion years, where the Bible can only muster about a paltry 6000 years.) Jesus has failed.

 

No offense, but I see it as moral cowardice to not be able to condemn a supposedly all-knowing entity for approving of slavery, misogyny, killing of gays, torture of non-believers, killing virtually all innocent animals (yes animals, in his "flood"), etc.

 

Dawkins is a no-count anyway... so much for your scoreboard.

 

He understands the universe better than Jesus did, my friend, because Jesus never corrected the beliefs that he taught as a youngster from the Jewish texts (flat earth, earth is the center of the universe, 4000 year old earth, etc.)

 

If a person can't bring themselves to say that yes, they would free the Jews (from brutal, savage torture - in "hell"), then how can the call themselves a moral and caring person?

 

That is strange indeed. In all of the writings I have seen that are attributed to things that Jesus taught, I have never seen anything mentioned regarding a 'flat earth' or that the 'earth is the center of the universe' or that the 'earth is 4000 years old'. Where did you get those silly notions from?

 

You can love both Gay and Straight people as long as you love the kids, too.

You can love these sexually invisible types of people, (Gay and Straight), because they WORK hard to protect the teenagers from sexual recklessness.

 

Jesus taught the old texts as a youngster, correct? They say those things, if I'm not mistaken. So he taught them and believed them. He. Was. A. Fool.

 

Great, but my concern is that YOU also become more loving and that YOU "love both Gay and Straight people". Can you do that, can you let love into your heart, and let go of the discrimination that Jesus practiced against gays by defining marriage as only between and man and a woman? I bet you can find it in your heart to love that much. If Richard Dawkins can do it, then you can too, I bet.

 

You are more than "tolerant" of Gay and promiscuous people.
You are openly accepting of their sexual expressions.
Rather than supporting a culture which insists people maintain secrets of their bedrooms, you openly encourage the sexual culture these peoples promote in every way.

You are no better than these people, regardless of what you might pretend is your own good behavior.
You are just part of the culture which allows them to hurt kids.

 

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I say, I hate people who behave in ways that hurt kids.
And you ask, why don't I love those same people.

Isn't that as asinine as criticizing Jesus for saying that the Jewish leaders were sons of the Devil?

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

I say to the Gays, those who make me recognize their sexual behaviors, that their father was a devil.
Because they lust, and do not care if it hurts kids.

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I agree with what Jesus said,...
He saw what these Gays and Feminists do to kids:

Matthew 18:6
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

 

If it were possible for you to declare more religious bigotry and hatred against 80% of people on earth, I don't know how you could do so than your message.

 

Then you must be mistaken, as I have never seen such things in print that have been attributed to the teachings of Jesus. Perhaps you could further enlighten me and show the passages of scripture that are being interpreted in such a manner as you have described?

 

I was talking about him teaching, as a youngster, the OT stuff, but this also talks about the NT insanity in that regard: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Flat_Earth

 

So is it your pretense that a room full of Secular Humanists would agree with you?
You say they agree, that Gays, in particular, ought make what they do obviously clear to even children we raise in America, in spite that we now need abort 1.2 million babies for never married girls every year, and give birth to half of all kids illegitimately?

Is your argument that a Secular Humanist is that dumb. and soundly with what you say here, that the social situation of today has no effect on his reasoning?

I don't thing so.

 

But you, on the other hand, preach that Gays and slutty girls ought be openly accepted, never criticized as harming little kids,... just accepted as great members of the society which exist now.
Jesus was wrong to take my side here?