Would you fight Jesus to free the Jews from his concentration camp?

So I take it that the welfare of those moral Jews doesn't matter to you, that you would NOT fight Jesus to free them from "hell"? I'm sad for your moral stance, if so. You and I have a different take on what one's moral responsibility should be, I think. I'm asking you to show more compassion towards your fellow man, can you say you'd free those Jews from "hell"?

How the heck is caring for innocent Jews "hatred", my friend!? I call that "love"!

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Yes, Jesus was wrong 100% to be bigoted against gays (by defining marriage as only man/woman, and by not condemning the OT that says that gays should be killed)! He was 100% wrong! Can't you see that Dave? I can tell from your continued passionate writings that you do care about society....just care about ALL of society....please.

 

Jews are at war with humanity. My Lord will reap furious vengeance on them.

 

In the last 2000 years, if you had Jesus' magic all-powerful abilities, would you have spoken out and said that the Bible got the age of the earth dead wrong, the flat-earth dead wrong, and geocentrism dead wrong? Dawkins would have. How about you?

 

Unless they renounce their jewishness and condemn jews then they are not a "moral jew".

E.g. If you have dual citizenship with Israel, condemning israel don't mean much.

 

With all the Palestinians they've kicked out, killed, and won't allow to return, I can certainly see why he'd be mad at them.
But how about being more compassionate than your invisible friend is, how about forgiving them after they are dead? I think you are compassionate enough to do that. I certainly am.

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Again, I agree that that religion has been quite evil (as have most all religions), but Modern Secular Humanism is more inclusive than religions, so why not love and accept them (and try to change them as best you can)? That sounds better than the hatred that god/Jesus has in store for them in the "after-life", doesn't it?

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In Modern Secular Humanism we try to not have the word "vengeance" in our writings.

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Doesn't it bother you that it's so easy to put the worst person in history (Hitler), and Jesus, in the same sentence so easily? That should tell us something, I think.

 

No. Not Wiki... I specifically requested scripture. Not one scripture is mentioned in your Wiki reference. Try again.

 

It would seem the "bigotry and hatred" would be from those defending the burning of Jews in "hell", no?

 

Why do you ask such a question, when you have not shown where Jesus taught such things?

 

Nope.

who said anything about religion? I'm talking about a litigious crime gang.

you are a top poster

Not addressed to me, but I believe that Hitler and Jesus are great.

 

You missed these, I think:
Matthew 4:8: "Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world"
Luke 4:5: "And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time."
Isaiah 40:22: "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in."
Isaiah 11:12 "And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth."
Revelation 7:1 "And after these things I saw four angels standing on four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree."

"The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises." (From the NIV Bible, Ecclesiastes 1:5)



In Islam:
Al-Kahf (18:47)

And (remember) the Day We shall cause the mountains to pass away (like clouds of dust), and you will see the earth as a levelled plain, and we shall gather them all together so as to leave not one of them behind.

The Muhsin Khan and Shakir translation seem to use "levelled plain", other translations, apart from Yusuf Ali, which says "level stretch" rather than "levelled plain", suggests this is just seeing the Earth prominently. Or something.

Taha (20:53)

Who has made earth for you like a bed (spread out); and has opened roads (ways and paths etc.) for you therein; and has sent down water (rain) from the sky. And We have brought forth with it various kinds of vegetation.

Translations again disagree on this. Like a "carpet" and like a "cradle" are also popular.

Az-Zukhruf (43:10)

Who has made for you the earth like a bed, and has made for you roads therein, in order that you may find your way.

Other translations of this "like a bed" indicate that it's metaphorical, with "resting place" being the most popular use. The Dr. Ghali translation still uses "cradle" in place of bed.

Az-Zukhruf (43:38 )

Till, when (such a one) comes to Us, he says [to his Qarîn (Satan / devil companion)] "Would that between me and you were the distance of the two easts (or the east and west)" a worst (type of) companion (indeed)!

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They do have a lot in common.

 

Then Christians and Muslims have a lot in common, as the BBC says that Mein Kampf was a BESTSELLER in "moderate" (ha!) Turkey not too long ago: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4361733.stm

Hitler was a Roman Catholic, and hated Jews because the Bible taught him to. The Bible teaches hatred. Jesus just sat on his supposedly all-loving all-powerful hands during the Holocaust, but Modern Secular Humanists like Richard Dawkins would have given their lives to save innocent Jews.

 

Standing up to injustice?

 

Guys, we love him/her, AND we have our work cut out for us. This won't be easy. The hatred taught in the religious texts are a formidable obstacle to bringing the world together, obviously.

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Yes, "hell" is of course injustice, obviously. Jesus is therefore unjust.

 

No. It allows us to be gentle, even with our enemies. You do realize most of the people in Hell will be Christian?

 

About 70% of humanity has NOT been Christian, so no, you are mistaken. Most will be non-Christians...but if Jesus finds his compassion he could change that scheme. I advocate Jesus change his scheme to be more compassionate, can you join me in advocating that more compassionate scheme? Richard Dawkins would.

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Then start praying to Jesus to let them into "heaven"!

 

it says in Revelation that I will want to send all of humanity to hell, but I have a change of heart and let a few live.

No. They will not be forgiven. That was a faze I went through. They take advantage of it.

 

Nope!... I did not miss any of those... It is the interpretation of them that renders them to be non-scripture.

 

So REMOVE those verses from the Bible, you're saying!?

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Sam Harris would forgive them. You may want to look into more forgiving role models than Jesus. Just a thought.
Take care.

 

I think the question is a loaded one, and presupposes alot.

 

Nope! However your interpretation of what I stated is a classic example of misinterpreting when such misinterpretation is applied to a subject such as scripture. NO! My writings are not scripture however the process of misinterpreting is the same.

 

dont understand the thread, but of course

 

Why be mean about it? It's a fun thread.

 

No, Jesus sat on the Book of Revelation which he had given to John.
There, in that book, Jesus had specifically warned Jews to convert to Christianity and remove themselves from the Ghettoes where Jews gathered together because the Holocaust was coming:



Rev. 11:7 And when they, (the two candlesticks; the House of Jacob and the House of Judah), shall have finished their testimony (against their own messiah ben Joseph, and changed their written texts in he Talmud so as to remove the name of Jesus and their direct protests against him), the (seven headed) beast (of Western civilization) that (had) ascendeth out of the bottomless pit (in The Renaissance) shall make (secular) war against them, (these Jews of the diaspora), and shall overcome them (in 1942), and kill them (with gas and starvation and brutalities).

Rev. 11:8 And, (the House of Jacob and the house of Judah), their dead bodies shall lie in the street (of Nazi Paganism) of the great city (which is the tenth horn of Western Civilization), which spiritually (in its philosophical outlook) is called Sodom, (a place practicing pagan sexual license and libidinal excess, one to be destroyed by fire) and (that ancient place of Jew trust in the shadow of) Egypt, (the time of their confusion: [Isa. 30:2-3]: Egypt, the land of both their beloved Joseph and also, their slavery), where, (in their blindness of scriptural truth) also our Lord was crucified (among them in 32 AD).

Rev. 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations (of the 1260 years of the Jewish dispersion among them, i.e.; the Diaspora), shall not see their dead bodies to be put in graves, (but in Concentration Camps), three days (of years) and an half, (i.e.; 1942-1945), and kill them (with gas and starvation and brutalities)

Rev. 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth, (in Nazi Western Europe), shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send (supposed Christian seasonal) gifts one to another, (like the skin of Jews for lampshades, etc); because these two prophets, (the House of Jacob and the house of Judah, the two candlesticks: [Rev 11:4]), tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

Rev. 11:11 And after (the Holocaust), three and an half days (of years, 1942-1945), the Spirit of life from God entered into them, (the House of Jacob and the House of Judah: [Rev 11:4]), and they stood upon their feet (in the land Promised); and great fear fell upon them (in Islam) which saw them, (the prophecy of the Fig Tree, blooming was fulfilled: [Matt 24:32).

Rev. 11:12 And (the survivors), they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither (where all Nations can see). And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud (of history); and their enemies (especially in Palestinia) beheld them.

Rev. 11:13 And the same hour was there a great "earthquake," (i.e.; Israeli Statehood!!), and the tenth part of the city, (the Promised Land), fell (to the returning Jews), and in the "earthquake" (of their in-gathering) were slain of (muslim) men, seven thousand: and the remnant (Islamic armies) were affrighted, and (all the Judaeo-Christian world) gave glory to the God of heaven (that prophecy had been fulfilled).

 

Your not a Secular Humanist.

You can help now save our kids, but you pretend that Jesus was evil 2000 years ago.
You do not help stop the Gay and Feminist spread of promiscuity among our young people.

You and they ignore the last half century of 1.2 million annual abortions, and, now, half of all babies born fatherless going on expensive Welfare.
You ignore what your Gays and sluts do to the kids:




CHILDREN NEED BOTH PARENTS
63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes. (Source: U.S. D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census).
90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes.
85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes. (Source: Center for Disease Control).
80% of rapist motivated by displaced anger come from fatherless homes. (Source: Criminal Justice and Behavior, Vol. 14, pp. 403-26).
71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes. (Source: National Principals A Report on the State of High Schools).
85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home. (Source: Fulton County Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. Of Corrections, 1992).
These statistics translate to mean that children from fatherless homes are:
5 times more likely to commit suicide
32 times more likely to run away
20 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
14 times more likely to commit rape
9 times more likely to drop out of high school
20 times more likely to end up in prison
Children from "fatherless families of single mother" homes are*:
15.3 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
4.6 times more likely to commit suicide
6.6 times more likely to become teenaged mothers
24.3 times more likely to run away
15.3 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
6.3 times more likely to be in a state-operated institutions
10.8 times more likely to commit rape
6.6 times more likely to drop out of school
15.3 times more likely to end up in prison while a teenage
73% of adolescent murderers come from mother only homes
Daughters who live in mother only homes are 92% more likely to divorce**
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http://www.cato.org/publications/con...-state-crime-0