Xi Jinping in Russia: China Will ‘Stand Guard over the World Order’

Tell us what you think of the American media*.


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http://www.politicalforum.com/index...at-the-lies-furiously.583345/#post-1072353798

 

I don't follow it, and nor am I obsessed with raving against it. Back in the day I'd watch Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs on CNN, because they were the independent voices there. Around 2007 both of them moved to FOX and transformed into totally different people, which I took for proof that they (and everyone else) will push whatever agenda they were paid to push. Glenn Beck became borderline insane with his conspiracies, and Lou Dobbs would spew hyper partisan BS and conspiracies. Eventually they were forced to leave because their conspiracy theories started to draw defamation lawsuits.

 

I look at everything and try to figure out what's really happening. Sometimes it's impossible to be sure.

 

Google News can be useful, because they will compile multiple sources (including foreign ones) for the same story. If you go there now, the top story is the Mississippi tornado which killed 23 people, and it points multiple sources reporting it.

https://news.google.com/stories/CAAqNggKIjBDQklTSGpvSmMzUnZjbmt0TXpZd1NoRUtEd2p0Z2JfOEJoRU5JRGMxZHVLdV9DZ0FQAQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en

 

This is evidence that the mainstream can't be trusted.

I'd have to hear the specifics of their "conspiracies" in order to comment on this.

 

I would trust Google News on a story about a tornado but I wouldn't trust them on an issue such as the war in Ukraine.

 

You can look up 'muslim takeover' stories from 2007-09, or how the Saudi Arabians were connected to the Boston Marathon bombing but Obama covered it up, or how Obama was planning a terrorist attack like the OKC attack, or the Egyptian Marxist Caliphate etc etc. Good grief, he came up with stuff on weekly bases. Don't take my word for it, - look up their shows and hear them for yourself. FOX canceled their shows for a reason.

 

That's the thing, - they don't publish any news, they simply provide links to existing sources. But it seems your mind is made up, and you'll reject things automatically based on......nothing. You just rejected Google right off the bat without knowing they do not even publish anything

Ukraine? Endless lit of sources, including many European, Israeli, Australian, Al Jazeera, Indian etc. Take your pick. https://news.google.com/search?for=ukraine+news&hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en

Did you know?
400,000 More Russian Soldiers May Join War In Ukraine Soon: Report
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/rus...-as-latest-ukraine-push-stalls-report-3892028
Defying efforts by Washington and its allies to isolate him, Putin won strong public backing this month from Chinese President Xi Jinping, who pledged to tighten ties on a visit to Moscow.


Never mind though, because clearly you'll 'believe' only stories if they agree with your views.

 

You're being simplistic. Go look at the info in the footnote in post #101.

I don't automatically reject something because it's from the mainstream. Considering the record of the mainstream's giving Americans an upside-down version of what's happening, I think anything they say should be considered to be a lie until it's proven true. It may be proven true, or it may be unverifiable, or it may be proven false.

 

You just rejected a source which does not even publish news because you THOUGHT they publish. That's an automatic rejection.

 

Google's being mainstream means they'll choose what's approved by the people who own the media. I doubt they'd choose something from a source such as Global Research.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/
https://www.globalresearch.ca/?s=Ukraine&x=9&y=6

Also, I said I wouldn't trust Google news which is not automatic rejection. What I said was that I would assume what they say is a lie until it's proven true. I wouldn't just take it as fact.

What do you think of the info in the footnote in post #101?

 

Google is now a media company, let alone mainstream. They offer a platform for media companies

And you trust Global Research, which is a Tin-Foil-Hat level conspiracy outlet. LOL

Again, - they do not say / publish anything, so there is nothing to accept or reject.

You are cross linking to other threads, and that thread links to yet another thread, so no comment. Is there propaganda in US? Of course, and Americans are notoriously gullible people, so most people believe anything as long as it agrees with their bias.

 

I disagree. What they say about imperialism is consistent with what people from the victimized countries tell me.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/?s=imperialism&x=5&y=10

What are you basing your opinion on?

 

???? Google selects the published sources they want you to see.

 

It was specifically authorized last year and was widely publicized. Lend lease (the exact same law used in WW2) is the legal vehicle used for much of this aid.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_Democracy_Defense_Lend-Lease_Act_of_2022

 

Yes you do! You have been automatically rejecting anything mainstream for 20 years, with a definition of "mainstream" being exclusively anything that directly contradicts your poorly informed beliefs.

Ignorant circular logic.

A moronic statement that you NEVER apply to the woo-woo sites you exclusively frequent.

Right here - list all the ways it can be "proven to be true"!

 

Ha ha haahaaaa .. Scott got your curlers in a twist mate --- What did Scotty get "absurdly wrong" .. and why am I having to ask ? have you yet to figure out what an argument is ?

KK -- this just happens way to often ... so let us have a short lesson - Educate the raging masses as to what an argument is .. where's Jack btw .. he skipping school again ?

Right then .. an Argument consists of 2 things Durandal 1) statement of premise or claim 2) evidence - proof - rational , showing that 1 is true.

So .. in the above.. runnning around crying "Wrong Wrong Wrong" you have managed to complete (1) .. but have failed at (2) . and in fact not really even told us what your claim is .. what you are saying is Wrong . never mind supported that claim .. which is what those of us in the Adult Room strive for.

Now Brother D --- what did Scott say from that video has your nickers in such a twist .. and remember ... crying out "All of it" is another big fail .. not that I am accusing you .. but it happens from time to time .. got some real winners here you know..

 

For Scott, there is no argument. Just posting a dubious YouTube video and stating that it "makes sense" to him.

And for you, it seems to consist of posting dubious YouTube videos, posting links and briefly misrepresenting what they say, and/or posting ad hominem screeds like this one.

 

Nonsense. "ALL OF IT" is a perfect response when the video is just dumped with no qualification/analysis. The poster cannot possibly expect every word to be refuted if they spend no time ensuring it stands up to scrutiny. If the video presents a coherent argument in a scientific/methodical manner, then of course a proper rebuttal would be needed.

But it doesn't - it is comprised of random speeches, his opinions and titled with a ludicrous claim. The idea that NATO get openly involved in this is a virtually impossible to avoid chain-reaction to a nuclear war.

 

The United States needs to start shoring up relations with every south american state. Like last week ago.

 

Can't make any sense of what you are trying to say .. the poster put up a video .. and said "Nonsense" .. not referring even to what was being claimed as nonsense ..

I have no idea what is in the video .. perhaps all of it is nonsense .. perhaps none of it.... but I have no idea what I am looking for .. because the poster does not state what is thought to be nonsense .. and thus is an exercise in idiotic nonsense.

 

Reading your Wikipedia link, clearly, they needed to enact a new law. Britain paid most of WWII lend/lease back with last payment in 2006. I doubt Ukraine lend/lease has the same terms. And I dont believe WWII lend lease was combined with the cash aid we see going to Ukraine today.

 

I seem to attract people who have comprehension problems. YOU said you cannot offer rebuttal to a video by saying "all of it" is wrong.

THAT is the nonsense statement. I then explained why. The person who put up the video dumps it with no analysis and expects somebody to rebut it when the garbage is 90 minutes long.

Why are you butting in then!?

The poster who put it up gave no insight as to why it should be taken seriously!

I really hoped this non-conspiracy side was populated with rational posters. It appears not.

 

They say like attracts like "comprehension problems" - least that was the rule in chemistry class .. or was it like disolves like .. OH .. works in both cases perhaps ..

What is nonsense .. is posting a link .. not citing anything from that link .. but saying "its all stupid" .referring to some topic .. that supposedly is in this link .. but the poster does not state what is being referred to .. so even if one did view the link .. you would not know what to look for that is stupid .. otherwise known as ' Wild Good Chase"

Did you have trouble understanding the "Wild Good Chase" analogy mate ? Perhaps your comprehesion fail as a student .. is my failure as a teacher ..?!

 

Let's try once more:

1. The ORIGINAL poster puts up a video and says "watch where they start talking about it" with time stamp. That's it. No qualification or checking, no analyses of the content. "It" being NATO attacking Russia (the sheer stupidity of that suggestion, let alone doing it!).
2. Durandal asks him what he will say when it turns out "absurdly wrong".
3. You butt in with some rambling post suggesting Durandal should explain this! Nothing to explain, the question speaks for itself.
4. Since the time stamp says "reports coming in" of imminent attack by NATO on Russia, the question posed by Durandal is totally correct! Zero supplementary evidence is supplied in the pathetic video, it is conspiracy batshit.

It doesn't need ANY analysis in response, since the video subject details the premise and no analysis was offered by the original video poster. I explained this to you in very simple words and you from your sentence quoted above that is NOT what occurred, you seem to have gone off into your own rabbit hole.