Yes, we can prove that god does not exist.

But you don't believe the Truth, not even in Statistics, do you?

Christ said,"The Truth will set you free," but you don't believe that either, do you?
Gay supporting people don't believe the truth about hurting little kids, do they?
It isn't just religion they oppose, it is truth, too, isn't it??

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The Bible is scientifically correct.
Disproving religious theories is not disproving the Bible nor God.

 

no, just no.

 

Yes, the Bible starts with the Big Bang beginning and continues describe not what the fundamentalists seem to understand from it, but what science actually says.

 

You said YOUR Lord would would give me the answer, and I quoted the answer to you. You now say YOUR Lord is a liar, which makes your Lord the Father Of Lies.

Here is your exact quote:
"I would suggest that you pray about it and receive an answer from the Lord."

 

Gravity is an effect of mass, and mass is energy which can be neither created nor destroyed, it can only change form.

 

Yeppir you quoted what I said. Now bear in mind that I did not suggest what "Lord" you pray to. And that is the reason that I asked what Lord told you something. At any rate, you either confirm the communications with the spirit world else you confirm that you are being disingenuous..

 

What created the mass? Has it always been around? If so prove it.

 

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One can simply observe the world and realize that the all-powerful, benevolent god of the Bible does not exist. Either that, or is AWOL. Now, a capricious and malevolent god is more likely

 

Mass is energy, and the FACT that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, AKA the First Law of Thermodynamics, AKA the Law of Conservation of Energy, was proven with a repeatable experiment by James Prescott Joule.

You probably have your computer connected to a surge protector rated in Joules, a unit of measure named in his honor for his great achievement.

 

A really good argument, but one I have heard before here. One problem I have is that physicists way smarter than me disagree with the above as proof of a universal constant. The second problem I have is that it resolves closed systems which is hard to argue in an infinite universe. It is easy to argue the First Law of Thermodynamics in a closed system like a refrigerator, but much harder to argue this in an infinite universe. The law when applied to a universal scale I see as philosophy or perhaps theory at best but not irrefutable proof of a constant universe.

http://www.physicscentral.com/experiment/askaphysicist/physics-answer.cfm?uid=20120221015143

 

Actually, here in the US, most electronic items are measured in Watts as opposed to Joules. Of course there is a direct correlation between Joules and Watts expressed in a mathematical equation:
E[SUB](J)[/SUB] = P[SUB](W)[/SUB] · t[SUB](s)[/SUB]

 

Actually it is your non-isolated/open universe that is purely theoretical as the existence of other universes/multiverse has yet to be proven, only theorized. And I am not arguing that the universe is constant, but that the ENERGY in an expanding universe is constant.

 

Can you show mathematical proof of that assertion?

 

Except I specifically mentioned surge protectors which ARE measured in Joules.

 

It was in YOUR OWN link!

"You may be hesitant to believe that the total energy in the universe is constant because there appears to be so much of it, or because science seems to indicate that the universe is expanding. There are stars, planets, galaxies, globular clusters - everywhere, matter and energy seem to exist, and it's constantly rushing off in all directions. But for starters, the expansion of the universe doesn't have to take more energy - as the universe expands, the distances between stars or galaxies increases, and thus the gravitational energy between them decreases to compensate."

 

Complete fail. All you have are some statements made be some people, you have shown people could be wrong. You haven't even come close to disproving God.

 

Really? Which link of mine would that have been.

At any rate, there is no PROOF in that quotation. There is no mathematical equation in that quotation. Are you afraid to provide the equation? OR was the equation E = M*Csquared? In which case, one would need to know the total mass involved. So what is the mass of the universe?

 

My opinion is the bible is justified in its wrightings. If you look at the bible as words from people trying to justify their existance. True meaning is in the bible if only you could look at it through the prism of what it's purpose is. My opinion is that it's purpose is to bring human understanding to a point that the existance of God is not a concept that can be easily explained. Try as you will but understanding is beyond your grasp unless you recognize what is possible.

Also, I have issue with what you call evolution. Question: If evolution were true then why did the human brain evolve where other animal brains did not since the beginning of life on earth?

 

The link where the pull quote was posted from.
The explanation was clearly stated.
http://www.physicscentral.com/experiment/askaphysicist/physics-answer.cfm?uid=20120221015143
the expansion of the universe doesn't have to take more energy - as the universe expands, the distances between stars or galaxies increases, and thus the gravitational energy between them decreases to compensate.

 

Correct, just god as described in the Bible....THAT god, science has proven wrong.

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You might be helped by studying the works of Darwin, say Dawkins books, more than anyone on this forum.

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If that's true, then the Bible is a very interesting, and often very inspiring read....but if that's true, then no magic carpenter from Nazareth is going to give you eternal life just by "believing" in him.

 

Well dude... you are in are in error ... I never made a link to that page. So much for the expertise you showing. Now please answer my questions... what is the mass of the entire universe? Don't know?? Just say "I don't know". Then I will continue.

 

1.6·10[SUP]60[/SUP] kg
http://www.rostra.dk/louis/styr.htm...om/dictionary/astronomy-terms/question221.htm

 

Well, as far as mathematical equations go,all of the equations on that page are very impressive equations.

However: On that very first equation that is listed:
the "M0" is not given a value. It is however given a definition: "and M[SUB]0[/SUB] is the total matter/energy of the Universe." So, the question is not answered but is evaded by means of using some long drawn out equation wherein no value is given for at least 1 variable. In order to solve that portion of the equation, the "M[SUB]0" must be known.
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Somebody does not understand arithmetic.
All the other quantities in the equation are the knowns and "M[SUB]0" is the quantity solved for by the equation, that is why it is not a given value, it is a derived value from the equation.
DUH![/SUB]

 

What caused the expansion? What was the state previous to the expansion? These are question that we do not know the answer to thus I argue that no irrefutable claim for or against God can be based upon the unknown. Frankly I wish I could abandon my objectivity and embrace First Law of Thermodynamics as proof for or against God as it would take all the guess work out of it.

The reason that I have been asking others to explain what is gravity, what is mass etc. is that if one asks enough questions one will inexorably arrive at a point where they are forced to admit that they do not know the answer. Our science is based upon our current best understanding and I argue that future scientific discoveries will prove that some of our currently accepted scientific facts are actually fallacies to be replaced by new facts which may or may not reflect the actual reality... this is the way of science as good science is open to change when presented with compelling data.

I think humanity thinks that we know so much and I argue that we do not know nearly as much as we think we do. A lot of what I said here is more about my own inner theistic, philosophic, and scientific pondering so please forgive my inner monologue spilling out onto this page.