You might be more moral than you realize

The 15 Principles of Modern Humanism are EXACTLY the same as Paul told us to follow.
The 15 Characteristics of Sanity are found listed in 1Co 13.

 

You have jury-level of evidence for this?

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Paul also said for women to shut the hell up in church, so obviously Paul was a nutcase.

 

Yes, pick any all-powerful "god".....if you were in his shoes would you have helped those people out? I know you would have, Finley99, because you seem to be quite moral, but our Christian friends don't appear to be able to answer "more yes" to the OP. It's sad that Jesus has failed to produce more moral followers, since this would seem like a simple basic moral question that could be answered with a "yes!".....but apparently asking Christians to say the moral thing is like pulling teeth.

Have a great day.

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The people who wrote that believed that slavery was great, that women were worth 1/2 a man, and that the earth was around 6000 years old today, so no, I can't believe nonsense like the Bible.

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Revelation also believes in dragons, so how do we differentiate it from fairy tales, like Jack and the Beanstalk? Answer, we can't, so intelligent people don't.

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The Mexican Jesus!

 

The results are that they are immoral, because they can't even SAY they'd do the right thing, if it means that they would then likely be more moral (on that one issue) than Jesus. Moral dishonesty. Jesus has failed miserably in trying to create morally honest followers.

 

Absolute gibberish and you know it!!

 

Well Revelation is a very interesting book because the Jews have realized recently that it was actually an ancient Hebrew writing written in Hebrew, at least 200 years before Christ.
So Revelation is now studied by the Jews, who do dismiss the first three chapters which Jesus added to the writings.

And, history does seem to follow pretty much as the book says if we compare the two writings.

In Rev 5:5 it does say that no one can open the bible except the messiah who is expected to do so:

5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

 

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How so?

Truth is what tells us about Reality.
And Reality affects us directly whether we ignore it or face it.
People who say Reality is rubbish are called insane, because they are living in some kind of fantasy.

Are you saying Reality doesn't exist???

 

Paul was right.
The Christian message should have told Gays to (*)(*)(*)(*) too, because they will never believe they should hide their promiscuity, and neither will the Feminists, either.

Right here the site is full of people like you, defending the Gays and the promiscuous feminists, while Christians ought be talking about how they stop this destructive social behavior.
What we end up doing instead is debating the scriptures rather than discussing action against the sexual permissiveness.
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Revelation uses symbolism for concepts which had no words to express the ideas that were presented.
The Whore of Babylon represents Ishtar, as even the religious Jews agree, in regard to Revelation.

She is the goddess of Feminism and the sinful woman who has sat upon every empire and kingdom of the world since Egypt became civilized.

 

We HAVE to spend time "debating the scriptures", Dave, because they were just written by uneducated barbarians who didn't even understand that slavery was wrong (wow!), and didn't even understand where the sun went at night, so they were obviously not written/inspired by an entity who created the whole universe. Had the Bible been clear and scientifically correct THEN we could easily move on to discuss more of the important issue - but no such luck, I'm afraid.

PS I don't advocate "sexual permissiveness", as such, just sexual minorities being treated unfairly - their sexual orientation is not something to hold against them by the sexual-oriented majority.

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That's because no sane person had come up with those crazy concepts before.

 

It really isn't a more staggering realisation than people having a hard time answering "have you stopped beating your wife?". It's probably true that religious people might have problems pinning down a well structured moral framework but in practice most of them are quite capable to be reasonably moral in word and deed when their morality isn't pitted against their sense of self (which is most of the time).

 

IMO moral action is the active avoidance of harmful action. Just because one does something good for another does not mean that they are a moral person. A conman will con people out of their money but if their mother falls ill they may sit by her bedside and comfort her... this does not mean that he is a moral man... it just means he has empathy for the suffering of his mother but yet none for the victims of his con.

When I was a Christian my answer to the OP would be "God works in mysterious ways" which I now see as a way to justify just about any perceived action or lack thereof on the part of a deity.

 

This is NOTHING like "have you stopped beating your wife"! Nothing!

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I'm pleased to see that you left Jesus and became more moral. I'm impressed.

 

Ooh, you wrote it in caps, that makes for a complete argument.

 

If their magic invisible man in the sky was actually real, and moral, and all-loving and all-powerful like they claim then they would NOT HAVE THAT PROBLEM! The fact that they often do is very telling. Religion has has failed humanity.

 

Yep, YOU'RE DANG RIGHT I DID!!! (I even added 3 exclamation points this time, so you just KNOW I'm serious now!!!)...there I go again...

 

Well, I already agree with you on that, but stating it over and over does not help and does not make for interesting discussion.

 

So what if FreedomSeeker defends gays?? At least gays EXIST, you know, they're a part of REALITY. That's the TRUTH. As opposed to the fantastical imaginings strewn throughout scripture; it's so funny how religious people can dismiss nursery rhymes like Old Mother Hubbard as nonsensical, and yet accept angelic visitations, giants and the like as fact.

 

....uh, well not according to the president of the Islamic Republic of Iran they don't!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF4pYQ_5obk
And the President of that nuclear-capable nation is a man of god after all, so, you know, we should, like, agree with HIM.

 

How DARE you dis Old Mother Hubbard! She didn't believe in unicorns, or talking snakes, or talking donkeys, or a magic zombie who will magically cure death for me if I believe in him, or dragons, etc. She was way way more sane than Jesus was. Now repent, sinner!

 

I think occasionally we need to stop, take a moment, and actually reflect on the fact that Jesus never spoke up for gay rights - when the main book about him says to KILL GAYS in multiple (yes, multiple) places. He claimed to be a moral teacher, no less. It also (in Romans) says that gays will burn in the after-life, and Jesus, in 2000 years of "watching over us", has never corrected that. We need to stop for a moment, and realize just how evil Jesus really is. Pure evil.

 

Which would matter if your God didn't constantly violate freedom of choice in the Bible.

 

I take it you don't believe in miracles, yes?

 

Being omnipotent, I would have eliminated the pest long before drastic action was required.

 

What does God's voice sound like?