You might be more moral than you realize

Too bad god doesn't follow his own advice, as about 25 MILLION people are killed by that savage in the Bible, as expertly spelled out here: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friend...ls-has-written-a-book-documenting-every-kill/

That makes this particular invisible friend over 4 times as evil as Hitler in the Holocaust.
I can't imagine why anyone would proudly claim "I'm a man of god".

 

Freedomseeker, the point of being a Christian is surrendering everything over to God and asking Him for guidance on a daily basis and let Him do the work for you.

It doesn't matter if you know what the unicorns or flood was about..........God will show you what He wants you to know.

 

I'm glad that we can end this on something that we agree on.

I admire your tenacity, you have more of that than I do sometimes.
Have a great day.

 

If there are 1000 people in front of a mine field and you tell them that if you walk into the minefield you will be blown up and 900 of them walk into it would you feel sorry for them or say they got what they deserved because they did not listen to your warning?

 

Exactly.....so why, OH WHY, Spooky don't you head Allah's warnings, his warnings for 1400 years no less, and worship Allah like he tell us to!? Why, Spooky, Why!?

 

Because I prayed to God when I was 16 to guide me and He brought me to be a Christian.

It is called faith that He will guide you.

I prayed to no specific God so any of them could have chimed in if they had wanted to.

 

There isn't some super duper being that lives in the sky, that one must whine, and wheedle, to ask for favors that are generally ego driven.

So, if what man has called god, exists, that existence is not what the human brain can create by ego driven imagination. Instead, surely it would just be something like Tom Campbell speaks of, and which he called Consciousness, that is outside of, and has created this Virtual Reality we live in.

Now to complete his ideas about this, that big C Consciousness, has imbibed itself, as fragments into the virtual life it created, in order to experience, with amnesia, its own creation. And with a purpose. And the game is set up so that each individual consciousness, eventually learns what it is, which is a fragment, transcieved by the physical brain, of that big C Consciousness, which is the fundamental, and which is timeless and immeasurable.

So where does morality fit in here? Well, immorality, evil, cannot exist without the ego, which is an illusion, but a powerful illusion, for in this virtual reality, it creates our individual actions. And its the actions that are immoral, or evil. And so the purpose, the game, is to transcend this ego, which is created by thought, which is the response of memory, and once this is done, that individual no longer indulges in the pursuit of ego gratification, that when it harms others, is sin, or immorality, or evil. And so in this state, as Christ challenged, "be perfect, even as your father in heaven is perfect".. This solves in the person, the problem of immorality,evil, sin.

And so the individual that has transcended the illusion which thought has created as the controller, does not do immoral acts, and doesn't even think about doing so, for he is not ruled over by the ego, which demands gratification, as a way of life. And so as one zen Buddhist once said, "the conflict between right and wrong, is a sickness of the mind." Or, the man who has these inner conflicts can never be anything but immoral. If one has to make any effort, of the ego, to be moral, he can never be completely moral. Morality only comes when the ego is no longer the ruler of the organism. The simplicity of it, is lost on those that demand such complexity, when this has always been a very simple thing. Which requires no organization, no detail oriented theology, no schools to teach the complexities. Instead it is flesh and bones, down to earth, here and now facts. Or as Christ said, it is the cornerstone that is ignored, not seen. Buddha and Lao Tzu also spoke of it, but in different language, from a different culture, and era. But it indeed is the perennial philosophy which unlike organized orthodox religion in fact has value, and in fact is the only thing that can ever change man from what he is, into what he can be.

 

Is your concept of Christ equivalent to the ideal of Truth?

 

More and more people are coming to this conclusion....that there is no "god".
The "nones" are the fastest growing belief (i.e. which religion do you follow? "none".) And Jesus is doing nothing about it, apparently (so he'll have to send more people to "hell" - but he doesn't care - that's because he's not actually real in the first place.)

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It's called "faith" because they can't call it "fact", because they don't have any facts......so faith it is.

 

Jesus explained the whole thing in Rev 21:4,5.
He said we die but genetically, come back again:

Revelation 21:4-5
And God, (blessing them with Total Phylogenetic Consciousness: [Carl Jung]), shall wipe away, (in their awakened Unconscious Mind: [Freudian Hypothesis]), all tears from their eyes, (for life is a genetically rememberable continuum from one generation to the next living generation); and (in genetic memories of prior existences held in our Unconscious Mind) there shall be no more death... (for we shall not all "sleep:" [1Co15:51], but total phylogenetic Consciousness will have evolved), ... neither sorrow... (for we, individually, are part of a living continuum of our own past(s), flowers upon our genetic vine),... nor crying,... (for we are happy in these revelations of reconstitution from our human gene pool), neither shall there be any more pain... (as is circumvented by hypnosis even today): for the former things (in Modern Homo sapiens paradigm of the life experience) are passed away.
And He, (the ancient, phylogenetic, Collective Unconscious Mind), that sat upon the throne (within the kingdom of the evolving Homoiousian sapiens' brain: [Luke 17:21]) said, Behold, (in this way, through evolution: [Gen 9:11-18]), I make all things (in human experience) new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true, (rational, and scientifically feasible), and (worthy of) faithful (belief).


The goal of our work here, on earth, is to make sure mankind adapts to the ever unfolding next frame of Reality, so that we avoid the Second Death of extinction of our species.

Living and dying is all that is about.
We live and we all die a first death.
The Second Death we must avoid.

 

More and more people, if not most people today, are coming to the realization of Reality as the master over us all.

They see that Truth is the ONLY way one can "see" Reality.
They know that Truth is what saves them in everyway.
Whether it concerns their economic life or their cultural behavior, whatever,... recognizing the truth is the savior for them here, and for the species too.
They hear about Global Warming, for instance, and they are all concerned with the matter.
Why?
Because as a species, 100 years from now, humanity may be threatened.. or maybe not.
Either way, Truth and Reality is Lord and master.

 

Right.
Reality is what exists outside of our own mind.

We have faith that Truth describes Reality for us, believing that we can define truth by using our senses.
We may die or see tragedy coming and pray.
But our prayers are that Reality will not be what we see coming, though it so often is.

W do not see salvation from calamities effective by changing Reality nor telling ourselves lies about it.
We do see that when Islam murders Christians for no other reason than their god tells them to do so, that Allah is not Jesus.
And we see that such martyrdom is what changed all of Pagan Rome, too.

We can not expect the true god which is Reality to change the very circumstances Christians have always used against evil:
Patience in the Truth.

 

I do not have a concept of Christ.......he is not something that is academic.

As for his relation to truth well you are being very vague........what truth are you talking about?

 

Yeah I'm not so sure that's true. The words Jesus said to Martha of Bethany ring a bell?? Something like, he that liveth and believeth in me shall never die...

 

Also, feel free to answer my actual question.

 

There is a common theme (that you can easily be more moral than Jesus by following principles of Modern Secular Humanism - a very broad and significant subject matter), but the specifics are different enough to warrant a separate thread, especially since religious people seem to fail the moral tests every time, w/out exception - they are super consistent. I've said religious people are not consistent.....but, ha, in this case, I'm dead wrong.

 

Yep, that EXCLUDES Einstein, that excludes Ben Franklin....but that INCLUDES the murderer who repents, and finds Jesus, and lives a moral live thereafter. Jesus has a warped sense of priority, obviously. He's too stuck on himself to let a moral, hard-working, Hindu into his invisible supremacist gated-community ("pearly gates") in the sky. The criteria is NOT morality and good works, but as in John 14:6, suck up to me, he allegedly said. Egoism run amock.

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Five billion people don't believe in Jesus, today.....so THOSE people, well, Jesus doesn't care about them. So much for the "all-loving" label.

 

I am talking about the concept of Truth which is the image of Reality.

 

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Doubtful.

 

Are you Hey Zeus or Gawd........or are they both the same, along with the Wholly Ghost?

You gullible folks make my ******** pucker

 

Jesus was right there.
He said that, if men believed in Truth, they would not die a second death, the extinction which otherwise kills any species that does not adapt to reality.

 

I know you are a defender of Gays and fight the bible because you know it says social destruction comes with sexually promicuous behaviors, but you apparently deny that Christ is Truth, as John 14 tells, and his father is the ever unfolding Reality which gives birth to it.
Surely you must admit that this is very true and the stuff you say in this thread is nonsense.

 

But you do not see Truth as foolish do you?
And you do recognize Reality as the almighty god over all the living, do you not??

"I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."

 

Einstein and Franklin believed in Truth, so they will be born again from the gene pool some day.

 

Well, I thought the consistency was precisely the reason new threads weren't warranted. I'd be more than happy to see a continuation on the subject which built on the results of these threads.