Zimms "Don't pass the smell test" #1...the bloody head.

Then please start your own thread about shoddy police work. It might be voluminous but I'd like to keep the focus of this one on the strange lack of blood smearing on Z's head.

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I did. But I'm not on the FL prosecution team.

 

GZ wasn't a cut wound like a knife. It's tearing/splitting wound.

 

Ok, I'll play along.

So, is your theory that the head suddenly stopped bleeding because there was no head pounding or because TM did not suffocate him? Even IF there was no head pounding or suffocation, the head would still bleed and it would still be smearing on the back of his head and on the concrete....unless the rain diluted to blood and washed it off.

Look, blood only smears if it is allowed to coagulate. Blood does not coagulate in water, or while being sprayed by water. The next time you cut yourself, run water over your wound.....or maybe even spray it with light, but constant water. You will find that the blood will run off quickly, that it will not coagulate, and that the blood that did recently coagulate will dissolve to a liquid form again and run off.

 

Too little too late bro....verdict=Not Guilty.

 

I don't, but I do think it would be on the grass and concrete resulting in significant smearing on the back of his head. Which it wasn't.

However, based on the way the blood flowed first down and then to the side on Z's head, it indicates for the majority of the struggle Z was semi erect, (I'm thinking struggling over a gun and not reigning blows on each other), and if that is so the nose injury Z claims happened at the very beginning of the altercation would have bled downward out his nose and would most certainly have ended up on TM's hands and probably under his fingernails when he tried to suffocate Z...as Z claims.

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Same difference.

 

Knife wounds are clean. Tearing or splitting has skin that does not pull apart cleanly except to tear. The opening of the would fully can take time. It's a process rather than a single immediate event.

 

He was erect for the picture you posted, as far as the blood from the nose, you are correct if he standing as you assume it would run down his face, but if he was on his back as per witness acounts and what the evidence shows, it would run down the back of his throat, and you are still forgetting it was raining out. Rain destroys forensics, especially biologicals, it does things like washes them away, etc...

 

What are you talking about? If anything, coagulation would inhibit smearing as it hardens.

Go back, review this thread and write it again.

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Maybe not guilty, but not necessarily innocent.

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Quit pulling crap out of your butt.

 

No, it is innocent as well. The conjecture you are using was rejected by the jury.

 

I didn't say standing, I said semi erect which he could do while on his back and coincidentally, how Z claims he was until TM "slammed his head into the ground over and over" for which there is no blood smearing evidence....heheh.

As for his nose, are you claiming, that Z didn't incur his "nose blow" at the T and then, apparently, struggled with TM 40-50 down the N-S path where he was put on his back (in contradiction to 3 of Z's police statements). During this time he would have been erect and the blood flow downward and out his nose. I've had many nose bleeds in my life, they ALL bled right away.

Or are you a member of the "wounds decide when and where they want to bleed depending on how it supports the shooter/killers testimony" like a previous poster?

 

Smeared blood is coagulated blood. Why to you think you use a wet cloth to remove blood.....or for any solid substance for that matter? It is to dilute the solid matter. Blood does not coagulate under water and a head exposed to constant sweat or rain....even if it is a light drizzle will not have dried blood on it. Now if the rain stops long enough for the blood to not be diluted and long enough to allow coagulation, then YES, you would have smearing. However, I understand that was not the case that night.

Rain would also explain why no blood was found on the sidewalk and especially the grass. It would have washed off even in a steady drizzle. I am surprised that there was no blood mentioned on TM's hands, but it appears that TM's hands were never tested for blood or DNA....only his fingernail scrapings. If TM had kept his fists clenched or only used the palm of his hands to cover GZ's mouth, it might be that blood never flowed under TM's finger nails, or rain (however unlikely, but possible) washed any trace of blood out from under the nails. It would depend on how long TM's hands were exposed to the rain.

 

The conjecture I offer was never presented to the jury.

 

I see smearing in the picture. That picture was taken 3 minutes after the altercation . Near where the actual wounds are is some smearing, especially the top left, and some on the top right as well. A lot of blood is still running down his head, which could easily be explained by standing up for 3 minutes.

 

???. When you have a handle on the argument, however weird, that you are trying to make, get back to me. I have no idea where you're heading. I'm not sure you know what the word "coagulate" means when it comes to blood.

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Funny how those blood flows "while he is standing up" are going to the left and right instead of down.

Anti-gravity blood...cool.

 

Are we talking about smearing or direction of blood flow now?

 

That is another edited picture from NBC, it is really Ketchup poured on one of their staff members heads and you bought into it. LOL!

I am enjoying watching all you Trayvon supporters lather yourselves into a frenzy. Sadly, there will never be truth for you as long as you can make (*)(*)(*)(*) up

 

Well, what do YOU think it means.

Coagulation is the process where blood dries to a solid form. Maybe I am talking over your head and understanding capabilities, but I really do not believe that as I believe you have shown intelligence before. So, I will try one more time.

1. It was raining that night from a constant rain to a constant drizzle.

2. Blood does not coagulate (dry) when being constantly induced to liquids.

3. Blood, when diluted by liquids, does not stick to surfaces (concrete, grass, or skin), as it needs to coagulate (dry) to a solid form in order to do that.

4. Smeared blood is coagulated (dried) blood.

5. Blood does not smear or adhere to solid surfaces in a liquid state.

6. All things on this earth come in ONLY 3 forms....gas, solid, or liquid.

7. Again, objects in liquid form do not adhere to solid objects unless their viscosity is high enough to be near solid form.

8. Blood does not have a high viscosity and it's viscosity is greatly decreased with the induction of water.

9. Solid objects (like dried blood) that were once liquid can be returned to liquid form with the induction of water.

This is basic physics.

 

But of the same brand and equally ridiculous.

 

What a bizarre line of reasoning. Either GZ's wounds came as a result of an attack or they were self-inflicted. Self inflicted seems highly unlikely and goes against eye witness accounts.

 

You have been wrong for over a year.....how about that verdict? I love it myself.

 

I have keep asking a question, and no Martin supporter has been willing to answer it. Maybe you will. I challenge you to produce one piece of evidence that Zimmerman attacked Martin, and not the other way around.

But it would be unfair to expect you to answer mine without me answering yours. Where to begin. Oh, I know. After the police arrived on the scene, they called in these people known as Forensic Experts. Now, have you see the Stanford Police Forensic Reports? No? So, you do not know if there was any blood found on the sidewalk or on the grass. No blood on Martin's hands? Zimmerman's nose did not bleed until he was sitting up. While laying on his back, the blood would have run down the back of his throat. Further, there was no statement showing Martin coming in contact with the back of Zimmerman's head. Finally, the blood on the back of the head would have been washed off in the rain. So, that the only blood that would have been there when the picture was taken would have been fresh blood.

Now, the broken nose supports Zimmerman's claim that Martine sucker punched him. Two eyewitnesses testified that Martin was on top of Zimmerman. Finally, the contusions on the back of Zimmerman's head proves that Martin was driving his head into the sidewalk. Zimmerman's story is supported by evidence. And all you have is this lame blood crap.

It is time for you to (as Hillary would say) move on.

 

Zimmerman if one believes his story about he beat down he got, he should have been in the hospital and have had serious injuries.

 

You can bang your head against the metal trim in a Poice cruiser and make a gash that will bleed tremdsously..it's all kinds of sharp edges in there. wtf are you talking about?

 

Smelled just fine to the jurors.

BTW, did you hear that Dee Dee let it slip that Trayvon was actually casing houses in the neighborhood when Zimmerman started following him. That Martin thought he was a security guard? WHo would jump on and attack a security guard?

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I guess you missed the part where he had them before he ever saw the inside of a cop car. The tin foil hat wearers are out in force!

 

Nope he was able to avoid that by means of his legally purchased and permitted gun.