Yahweh and Allah. Are they moral and ethical Gods?

Since you do not know the attributes of God, it is a joke to make a defacto claim on the basis that you do know the attributes of God.

Quit pretending to know things that you do not.

You have no clue what will happen on judgement day, or even if there is a judgement day.

Quit pretending to know things that you do not.

 

Have you ever taken the time to think of the actual biblical meaning of the fire that does not extinguish. Or do you automatically assign to yourself whatever meaning is most convenient for your own disbelief?

In a way, you create your own anguish, all the while keeping yourself blind to the light that shines before you. Sort of like a child that continually plays in the mud, only because he thinks the punishment for doing so is too great.

 

Is this assuming that said person is not wholly forgiven?

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This is simply the Abrahamic (or Islamic) perspective of things whether you like it or not.

 

2) Executed like back before 1950, when their were The Blue Laws against sodomy?
Nah.
We just need them ad the slutty harlots to see the children that they hurt when they promote wide open casual sexual relationships.
Once they take their promiscuity underground, kids will grow up blind to the immorality which causes 1.2 million annual abortions, enormous Welfare taxes, 50% No Fault Divorces, and high rates of violent crimes.

1) The point if fathers being in the home is that fathers are bigger than their sons.
Whether it is a good thing or not, sons do not act as bastards because they learned that whatever the rules may be,... they will be enforced.
Hence they do as they ought in schools and before the policeman, too.

(Kids may tug at your heart, but like us all, the welfare of the society is foremost, not any special case situation).

 

Maybe...
We must remember that until Jesus said "I am the Truth," we had no clue that his "father" was Reality.

As we re-read scripture with this insight, many things have a different meaning for us.

 

Yep,...
The church people, too, have done this same thing.
Churches started with new insights, sometimes 100 years ago.
They then stooped thinking and made what they do a ritual.

They called it religion because they did it thoughtlessly.
And, they trained their children to do it,... thoughtlessly.

 

God complains about Capitalism too, as he says a rich man will difficulty gaining heaven.
When he sets rules for slavery, when also used as a economic tool by which to distribute goods and services, he is also saying there must still be fair play rules,just as in demanding the proper weights for goods in Mammon.

People who say "slavery is sinfulness" have never wanted to come to America as Indentured Servants.
Nor have they recognized that mass starvation was avoided when the Untouchable slaves in India got the worst jobs possible, but lived.
Serfdom was a massive slavery for centuries, but an essential economy, when what we have had not even existed.

These are all parts of the 12 different systems which can be used, and each has a place where it works the best.

 

It has nothing to do with what I like.

It has everything to do with the fact that you do not know for sure if the Islamic/Abrahamic perspective on God is true, false, or somewhere in between.

Yet you speak as if you now for a fact that this perspective is true.

Quit pretending to know things you do not.

 

He believes he knows.

You believe you know the color red when you see it.
You say you KNOW it is red.

Beliefs are not all bad or all good.

 

What a ridiculously false dichotomy. A color is something that can be shown to exist. We have objective empirical evidence of its existence.

Claiming that something exists - where there is objective empirical evidence one can point to showing that claim is true, has no relation to claiming to know the the characteristics of God as there is no empirical evidence one can point to which shows that claim is true.

 

...but you can't ne sure the color you personally experience is the same thing I experience.

We agree that an apple looks what we both call "red,".... but we are not sure your "red" is the same one I experience.

 

"Claiming that something "red" exists - where there is NO objective empirical evidence one can point to showing that claim is true, has no relation to claiming to know the characteristics of God as there is no empirical evidence one can point to which shows that claim is true."

 

Why would they be forgiven? They sinned and did not do contrition or ask for forgiveness.

 

Its like with America, in 1965.
Americans saw that what Rev Martin Luther King was saying was true,...

They realized that Americans had been sinning in the Civil Rights Arena.

But, then they changed the Laws ad have since worked tirelessly to make the situation better.
The old ways and the older guys are forgiven, and seen as victims themselves, of cultural mistakes.

 

How does this, in any way shape or form, relate to the claim that one knows "for a fact" certain characteristics about God ???

 

Because consideration has to be taken of their other deeds, including the many variables (variables that only God can know) that could have induced one to commit any bad deed. It isn't back and white.

 

No, I do know that the Abrahamic (Islamic) perspective is true. This type of knowing differs from the general type, so don't expect me to prove- without a doubt- anything to you.

You on the other hand would prefer to believe in that one cannot "know" whether any such perspective is true.

 

Yet no justification is given, great defense of your immoral "gods".

 

Considering that the bible describes a quite literal in-extinguishing. You're right though, going by what the bible says and describes is quite convenient.

Tell me the crime you can commit that warrants an eternity of punishment.

 

What justification are you after?

 

One that would justify an eternity of torture. If the justification is in fact just, then an argument can be made that your "gods" are moral. Until then, they're clearly morally bankrupt.

 

He also says sell everything and give the money to the poor, then later sells just give everything to the poor and to be young again and be born again and be like the wind and eat his flesh and drink his blood and hate your parents and a lot of other silly things only a charlatan would say.

Real gods who are benevolent do not set rules for slavery, nor do they permit it.

Well, again, for the hard of hearing, real benevolent gods do not support or condone systems of slavery.

Your god is neither real nor benevolent.

 

Actually it's an eternity of getting what everyone deserves.

 

Yep those immoral weekends at fallen estates can do you in.

Try lots of water and fresh squeezed juices, and you should visit the doctor to see if you need antibiotics.

 

And what deserves an eternity of torture? I forgot, you're the dodge ball king, never giving a substantive answer.