Yahweh and Allah. Are they moral and ethical Gods?

I gave you the definition of torture. Your question was answered.

 

I didn't ask you for the definition. I asked you whether there is justice in torture. Yea or nay?

 

Yes - Torture does not mean unjust punishment. Just a false claim to try an avoid "bad thoughts"

What experience would that be ?

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Look at the desperation in trying to avoid your false claim. Desperately trying to avoid "bad thoughts".

 

I gave you the definition of torture. Your question was answered. Justice or injustice is not relevant to what torture is.

 

You are babbling incoherently again.

 

If it's just, and the receiver of punishment is getting exactly what he deserves, what's the problem?

By the looks of it, things having to do with avoiding "bad thoughts."

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It is when the afterlife is concerned.

 

no it isn't.

 

I did not have a question If you like I could ask one if you think it will help you avoid the reality that your "proof" is nothing but your belief that the fear response you experience is from God and this somehow constitutes further proof that your "Story" is true.

Why are you in denial of this fact ?

 

Of course it is.

 

No, my proof is based on my experiences, and I'm aware that people of other creeds have their own experiences. I simply don't care about their experiences.

And I don't know what the "fear response" has to do with anything. You must be projecting again or something.

 

nope
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I did not say it was a problem. (Straw man fallacy). I pointed out that your claim in relation to the definition of Torture was false.

Another attempt at denial and avoidance.

As an adherent you fear eternal punishment should you "question or doubt" Islam. When you come across tough questions in relation to your religious belief the fear response kicks in. It is by this response that you claim is "Proof" that God hand is at work and further that this proves your story is true.

If this explanation was not true, then you would be able to offer an alternate explanation.

Since you can not offer an alternate explanation you default to denial and avoidance.

 

Then I'm glad you agree with me that Hell isn't unjust.

What a load of BS. There is nothing wrong whatsoever in questioning certain aspects of Islam that one may not understand.

 

To you,... probably.

But in John 14:6 Christ said, "I am The Truth."
Hence, Reality,... by definition,... MUST be his father.

 

What "experience" do you refer to. Did God sit down with you one day for tea and explain how things are ?

What "experience" proved to you that your story about God is true ?

 

Regardless of other religions,... you do realize that Truth is born out of the ever unfolding Reality, and images it,... don't you?
And as a sane person, you must believe that all life must adapt to Reality or become extinct.

The Truth can save us, as a species.
That is clear and sane.

 

By definition. you are making things up again.

 

Another Strawman. What does justice have to do with my pointing out the fact that your claim in relation to the definition of Torture was false. I have said nothing in relation to whether or not eternal torture was just.

Another disingenuous attempt at avoidance. This is not about questioning "certain things" one may not understand.

This is about doubting the validity of the story itself. You claimed your story about God was true. Clearly you do not question or doubt that story.

The reason you can not bring yourself to question or doubt that story is because of the fear of eternal torture should this questioning/doubt cause you to lose faith or leave the faith.

 

Your "Truth" is a circular logical fallacy. That kind of lie dressed up as "Truth" will certainly not save the species.

 

Then you are a way of time, as that was the whole point of the discussion.

Why would I doubt the story if I believe in it? Are for real?

 

Look at you run and hide from addressing the issue. You claimed that you had proof that your story about God was true.

You begged me to ask you a question in an attempt to avoid addressing comments on your "proof".

Then you do not respond when I ask you questions.

You said you had "experiences".

 

We all experience Reality from the first second of our birth.
We have to discover the truth, even that we demand services which we learn comes to us by our mother.
We figure out everything and learn that we are inside of what is called The Reality.

 

Yes, because what's described isn't torture, right. Okay dodge ball king, are you just going to keep being intellectually dishonest? Of course you are, if you weren't your faith would break down.

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The idea that you would call someone else a waste of time is priceless.

 

Yeah, that is all you have to say here.
The Truth is something not dependent upon what I say it is.
Truth existed even before Abraham.

Some of the ancients were saved by recognizing Truth,... long before Jesus appeared.

 

Experience does teach the truth.
If we place our hand in any fire, twice,... we receive the same indication that fire burns.