Please explain the Coronavirus. Is it that deadly or not?

Yup. I live in a smallish city. We do have city buses, but they are usually empty, and we mostly travel in our own cars.

Compare that to large cities where people are packed into subway trains, and the sidewalks are crowded shoulder to shoulder. Then compare the health and sanitation of a large US city to a similar sized city in the third world.

 

Oh the hysteria of it all.

China closes makeshift hospitals as COVID-19 cases plunge

It will be gone when the warm weather returns. Your body responds to viruses by turning up your body's thermostat and kills it off with a fever.

 

I clearly identified who I referred to.

Trump fired the entire US pandemic response team in 2018. That team worked in close cooperation with the CDC, obviously.

Trump's budget proposal targets the CDC with large cuts.

Our approach to COVID is STARTLINGLY bad.

Trump stated more lies in his speech yesterday, and promoted ideas that are seriously problematic.

He pretends the problem is in some other country. And, that's just false. The problem is HERE and we do not even have the testing that can show where or how seriously it is growing here.

Plus, the idea of stopping travel from countries other than UK is just STUPID. Even those in the UK administration have ben diagnosed with COVID19, and they are the EU country with the worst testing program!

 

That doesn't mean anything for us.

China is using proven techniques that we are NOT using.

Suggesting we don't have to worry because the techniques we aren't working happen to be successful?

How stupid is that?

 

No. Those articles are NOT fake news.

We need the truth about what to do, what is needed, etc., is NOT coming from our government.

Our news is telling us a far more accurate truth that is our federal government - truth that is demonstrated the world over and that is important for our citizenns to know.

If that's scary, the way to address that is to build a record of honest, accurate and scientifically supportable direction.

That is STILL absolutely NOT happeniing at the federal level. And, that hamstrings our state and local governments from taking necessary action.

 

Thanks.

We still don't even have the capacity to do meaningful amounts of testing!

Trump's idea that we're on top of this is as compared to other countries is obviously false, and dangerously so.

 

If you think about the Baby Boomer population around the world, and the fact those are the more susceptible to this illness, yes it is deadly. The Baby Boomer population currently is larger than that of the millennial or Gen Z populations.

 

Lol, it’s all BS, from the news and the government. That’s what happens when you politicize events.

 

Our media is propagating mass hysteria not informing

 

We do not have immunity to COVID19. We do with the normal strains of flu we have. That changes the progress of COVID. Also, saying COVID19 is OK, because it wont kill more than flu is ridiculous. Lots of things we care about don't kill as many as flu - it's just not an excuse.

Today, we have 1M hospital beds. At any one time in the last years we're using about 70% of those beds. Our experts say that we could have 30M cases at a time before this is over. The idea that we have sufficient hospital capacity wherever there could be an outbreak is just plain uninformed by our medical and pandemic experts..

Also, we have a limited supply of equipment needed for this disease in particular - such as respirators.

We've seen China, Italy and other countries have their hospitals inundated.

We don't need panic, obviously, but we absolutely do need serious leadership on how to protect America. And, we are NOT getting that.

 

COVID19 is NOT being politicized.

Period.

My governor (WA) is very much a Dem, and he's been loud and strong about his close relationship with Pence.

 

No, Orange man lis not telling the truth, his knowledge of this kind of problm is sadly lacking and he once again not listening to his own experts.

BTW, why is he allowing travel from UK, but not other countries in the region? UK is NOT doing better at slowing COVID19.

 

One more thing you should do to reduce the chance of contracting the virus - cook your bat and pangolin meat to a minimum of 165 degrees

 

- When you make comparisons to the number of people killed by the flu, the fact that the flu vaccine exists is already baked into the cake. Its not like I am pointing to people killed in car accidents to the flu, I am comparing two EXTREMELY similar respiratory illnesses, the flu and Covid 19. That is an extremely valid comparison and there is nothing wrong with believing that our response should be similar to both. It is nonsensical to wail over 4000 Covid deaths and mostly ignore 500,000 deaths from the flu. There needs to be some sense of proportinality. My position does instil a sense of proportinality. Yours does not.

-30 million cases at a time, and yet China, with 1.5 billion people ended up having 80,000 cases and their outbreak is mostly over? Hmmmm......is it possible that the "experts" that you are quoting are exxagerating just a bit? National hospital capacity will NOT be an issue with this situation. Take it to the bank. You can go back and throw this quote in my face if I am wrong. I wont be wrong however. This is nothing but ridiculous hysteria. It is theoretically possible that some small hospital somewhere could see an influx that overwhelms them for a night, but nationally?....absolutely not.

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Sure.

That would be because he doesn't have to deal with the EU and can deal with UK directly.

Would you like him to extend his Christian ban?

 

UK 10 deaths Italy 1000 deaths. UK 600 known cases Italy 15,000 cases.
What are you talking about?

 

I've pointed out reasons the experts say you're wrong. I'll read your posts, but when experts say you are just plain wrong, I'm going to believe them.

This is where we are, with almost no testing taking place.

It shows coverage of the US as well as reported cases per week.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html

The fact is that there is NO CHANCE that we know the full number of people who have COVID19, because there is almost no testing and plenty of people with various levels of symptoms that are consistent with this disease. Europe, Korea and others are testing serious numbers of citizens.

Every country that has had this disease has shown case numbers grow as one would expect.

China is an outlier, but they have hugely strong governmnet policy in place. In important locations, going out of your house can get you 4 months of prison, for example.

 

More pumpkin picking.

There is much less know about UK numbers than about almost all EU countries as UK testing is WAY behind the curve - like the US.

 

As of today nearly 30,000 people have been tested for Coronavirus with fewer than 600 found to have the virus.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public
That is far more than those tested in the US yet you have nearly 1,500 cases and 40 deaths. We are at more of a risk from you than you are from us.

 

Wow is this ever irrelevant nosese!

 

I don't believe anybody knows that - though I'd agree that travelers from the US are a danger for the reasons you mention.

We've had a nearly nonexistent testing approach.

Beyond that, other countries in the EU have done FAR better testing - some testing a MILLION per DAY.

Those testing positive in those countries are not taking international airline flights.

==> So, back to my question:

Why are we banning travel from countries that have done serious work to determine who is free of COVID19 and who is exposed, with serious measures for those exposed, yet NOT banning UK travel?

 

Who is testing a million a day? Where are you getting your figures?

 

Is this a new and dangerous pandemic or is this just a different virus strain for the common cold? First of all, it does not seem too serious to me. In the U.S., population 327 million, there are 1500 known cases and 40 deaths. That is a rate of .027% or about the death rate for the common cold.

Yes, there is a severe shortage of test kits, however, Fact Check.org reports, "FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn provided the clearest answer about testing capacity on March 7, when he said that the CDC had shipped enough kits to state and local public health labs to test 75,000 people for COVID-19.

"In addition, more than 1.1 million tests manufactured by Integrated DNA Technologies had been shipped as of March 6 for non-public health labs to use, with another 400,000 possibly shipping by March 9. A separate manufacturer had also produced 640,000 tests that could have shipped as early as March 9, once quality control testing was complete.

“The actual number of tests that have shipped is larger than the number of patients that can be tested,” Hahn explained, noting that the approximately 2.1 million tests from IDT and another company would allow roughly 850,000 Americans to be tested." https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-coronavirus-testing/

In light of those numbers, 1500 known cases and 40 deaths, 31 in Seattle-area nursing homes, does not seem all that serious to me.

The U.S. is shutting down the NBA, NHL, MLB, NCAA tournament, Broadway, Disneyland, any gather over 50 people (L.A.) or 1,000 people (many states), and so on. The stock market is tanking, and Americans have lost billions in retirement funds and investment. This leads to one very important question.

Is the cure worst than the disease? Is this all happening because people are afflicted with the common cold, an annual occurrence since the birth of man?

Sorry, that's two.

 

Woops - I missread. The point is that we would have to test a million in order to have the same coverage that a few other countries are achieving.

For eample, South Korea has tested 210K individuals and they have about 1/7 of our population. (March 10 report).

I wonder if we could buy tests or duplicate testing facilities. Increasing facilities would probably not be something capitalism would direct, as it would be a relatively short term payout.

 

You should Readmorecarefully.