Please explain the Coronavirus. Is it that deadly or not?

It was created by Obama. that does not mean we needed it, it just means he created it. for all we know, he did to look like he was doing something, not cuz it was truly needed.

Trump did not just wake up one morning and cancel the team. He had meetings with the various agencies and they made the decision. There is a lot of waste, duplications of existing agencies, etc... we do not need to retain all of the crap we have, somethings are just wasting money and space.

 

Five people have died in the U.S. since yesterday. That compares easily to the number of people who died last year and the year before that of the common cold or illnesses brought on by the common cold such as pneumonia.

In 2018, an average 641 people died of lung cancer in the U.S.

Are we going a little overboard on all this? Just asking.

A total of 45 have died in the U.S., 41 in Seattle area nursing homes.

 

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Trump says we needed it. He says we now have such a team. And, he's clearly right. He just didn't figure that out until MONTHS of delay. Now we have a new team slapping a plan together - they may be good people, but they are starting from ground zero, and it CLEARLY shows.

And, Trump's crap about what had been worked on before was inadequate is just plain sophism - he FIRED them two years ago!!

And, your crap about Obama simply pretending to care about America is REALLY disgusting and TOTALLY baseless.

YES he did wake up one morning at kill this group, through Bolton's reorganization - a reorganization that HAD to include Trump's approval.

Trump claim he's blameless primarily because he was ignorant of the above, the fact that the rules he complained about could be set aside (due to legislation during Obama's administration) and facts about pandemic response.

Blameless? He did not take this seriously and SCOFFED at experts.

 

What the primary administration experts (like Fauci) indicate is that we are NOT going overboard.

What we are doing is preventing the growth pattern that unopposed pandemic follows - which can be exponential. Also, being equal to flu isn't some sort of good thing. That's essentially doubling flu deaths - right?

Plus, we CAN overwhelm our healthcare facilities by doing nothing.

 

250 people died today in Italy and numbers are expected to keep rising.
Is it going overboard until it effects you personally or is it OK because it's only killing boomers and people with existing conditions? Just asking.

 

Nonsense. A hammer is significantly different from a tire iron. We could easily point out a hundred differences between the two. However, when the subject is a cracked skull, whether it came from a tire iron or a hammer doesnt make a great deal of difference. The Covid Virus and the flu have almost identical symptoms and they both kill via pneumonia. Just because you can point out a few differences does not mean they cannot therefore be analogized. Every person that ever attempted to shoot down an analogy because there are a few differences says the exact same thing and are always convinced that the difference they pointed out means it is invalid. Psssst.......Analogies are defined by their similarities, and the fact that there are differences is already baked into the cake. There are instances when two things are two far different to be analogized, but the Covid 19 Virus and the flu in the context of people catching a fatal pneumonia, are not among them. In truth, we have argued this to death. We have both had our say. I feel entirely fine with my position. I am sure you feel fine with yours. Lets move on. Let the reader decide. I truly do not care enough to keep discussing it.

Sure, but I was responding specifically to you saying ..."The fact is that there is NO CHANCE that we know the full number of people who have COVID19, because there is almost no testing and plenty of people with various levels of symptoms that are consistent with this disease. "...

Its kind of unfair for you to make that statement, for me to reply to your statement, and then instead of replying to my retort, you oddly change the subject that you started, and you no longer want to discuss measuring the extent of the pandemic. In truth, I made a good point in refuting your assertion, and instead of responding to that good point, you instead opted to insist that we should be discussing something else other than the very notion that you yourself brought into this conversation.

 

The left will always fail to connect the dots. Do you really think it's a coincidence that the virus emanated from Wuhan China, when there is a biological weapons factory on the outskirts of town?

 

Yes.
The original cluster occurred around the wet market where live animals and people are cramped into small spaces with poor hygiene conditions. The lab' was several miles away.
Why do some people have to make everything a conspiracy theory.

 

Mortality rates alone are meaningless. If 30 million people get the flu and 1/10th of 1% die, that's 30,000. If 1 million people get Coronavirus die, and 10,000 die, that's 1%. That would mean that the mortality rate of coronavirus is 10x that of regular flu but it claims only 1/3rd the victims. That's not to say we shouldn't take actions to prevent spread of Coronavirus, but I don't recall this level of hysteria when we had H1N1.

 

Because it make sense that a careless bio-weapons lab employee could carry the virus out of the lab with him/her. That makes a lot more sense than somebody got it from a bat.

 

No, it doesn't. Bats are well known as disease carriers - close to 70 different diseases have been isolated in bat tissue. Numerous of these viruses have been transmitted to humans, including Hendra virus (killed several people in Australia); Nipah virus (killed over 100 people in Malaysia & 20+ in India, plus millions of pigs); over a dozen strains of Lyssavirus (including rabies); and famously another Coronavirus - SARS.

So, bats are a know source of Coronaviruses and one deadly strain has already transmitted to humans in China. It makes perfect sense that it could happen again.

Now, I don't expect you to accept that or stop pushing your conspiracy theory, but you will do so from now on knowing that you are lying.

 

Please show proof that they transmit a disease after being cooked. If you don't then from now on knowing that you are lying.

 

The bats weren't cooked when they were brought to the market and they weren't cooked when they were kept there. They probably weren't cooked when they were purchased & taken home. Plenty of opportunities for transmission there.

Bats can also transmit viruses to other species which can then transmit them to people. I also forgot to put in my last post that MERS & Ebola have both been traced back to bats. COVID-19 is a 96% match to a strain isolated in bats in China, so the origin is pretty obvious.

Anyway, and thanks for being so predictable. You just can't admit to being wrong, can you. How sad.

 

Inconvenient fact is that Obama's H1N1 infected 60 million Americans and killed as many as 18,000. So far, with no pandemic bureaucracy, 40 Americans have died of carnovirus, 26 of which were in a nursing home that in Ohio would have been closed during flu season.

After 8 years, that crack team of Obamabots failed to develop automated testing ---- all this failure while our crack government encouraged outsourcing to China and made it easy by hammering US businesses with additional costs.

The EU caught the cold from Italy, who failed to listen to Trump's warnings about being intertwined with China.

 

There was a lot of hysteria with H1N1, and I'm not suggesting hysteria. The need to prevent the spread is BECAUSE of the mortality rate, obviously. There's a reason medical professionals measure mortality rate in the first place.

 

So you think we are doing everything we need to do? Asking for a friend.

 

Please explain the Coronavirus. Is it that deadly or not?

Obviously it is to those who die from it.

 

At the federal level, yes. The Feds control the borders and Trump acted early to keep the infection outside our borders to the extent possible. The Feds have the resources to make hospital beds available where needed, and provide assistance where normal delivery is temporarily unavailable, like school lunches. The Feds will cover testing. I would expect funding to develop the capability for automated mass testing, something that should have been done after the H1N1 pandemic. States, cities, leagues and venues have acted to limit their blame if they allow large assemblies of people. I was busy assembling with beverage during yesterday's update, but what I did catch seemed on target.

 

Where are all the dead bats? It doesn't take a lot of connecting of the dots that China has a biological weapons factory right on the outskirts of town in Wuhan, yet some how the virus came from bats. Were the bats test subjects in the biological weapons factory?

 

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Do you mean like the COVID caused recession we're having. Do you mean the additioonal deaths. Do you mean the lost jobs of those on low wages and the gig economy that includes contractors, drivers, those who service events, etc.? Do you mean the impact of school closures on seniors who need graduation and grades for college entrance? Are you including the startup costs in time and money of recreating the group?

When you suggest that it's a waste of money, I'm just curious what you're counting.

 

Look at this guy's resume and role, the role I believe was created by Trump in 2017:
Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer
and tell us that he was the one needed to make sure there was no highly technical snag in developing a COVID-19 specific test and not Fauci, who joined NIH in 1968.

 

The team was divided between the White House, the NSC and HHS.

The admiral wasn't expected to be doing the analysis, for crying out loud. It needed leadershp at a level to assure the coordination of the coponents in National Security Council, CDC, the White House and HHS.

AND, let me repeat that Trump ended the very idea of HAVING a pandemic response team by firing them ALL.

NOW, he's bragging about how he is building such a team and blaming all failure on Obama, including stating that he himself is totally blameless!!!

 

Obama infected 60 million people, killed as many as 18,000 in 2009 and 2010. He didn't solve the problem Fauci identified that government run healthcare could not automate testing. Basically what we've been saying ,,, government run healthcare is a death sentence. Bolton had no control over the HHS or CDC. The problem with the first test was highly technical. It was nothing a bureaucrat could handle. Likely, it was a failed attempt by Fauci. Did you ever do R&D of any sort that you think research on a schedule and on the fly is a no brainer?

 

Here
Rear Admiral Tim Ziemer Welcomes Dr. Kenneth Staley
Apr 11, 2018
I welcome the appointment of new U.S. Global Malaria Coordinator Dr. Kenneth Staley.

I had the distinct honor to lead the U.S. President's Malaria Initiative (PMI) from 2006 to 2017. PMI is an inter-agency initiative led by the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) and implemented together with the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).

Dr. Staley will be supported by an extremely dedicated, passionate, and goal-oriented workforce. And he takes the helm of a key U.S. foreign assistance commitment that continues to have a significant measurable impact in lives saved and disease reduction in sub-Saharan Africa and Asia, helping hundreds of millions of people each year.

Malaria prevention and control is an important U.S. foreign assistance priority and a component of the U.S. Government’s national security strategy. Foreign assistance investments by the U.S. Government empower people, communities, and economies to progress on the path to poverty reduction and self-reliance.
https://www.pmi.gov/news/all/news-full-view/rear-admiral-tim-ziemer-welcomes-dr.-kenneth-staley
I would have fired him too, particularly since Trump was fighting an internal enemy ,,, the Democrat Party.

 

Our experience is where we were at the time.

As a response to that, Obama assembled an emergency pandemic response team that had components in the National Security Council, Health and Human Services and the White House - focusing on pandemic response planning to be ready for the next such event.

Trump fired them all in 2018, with NO replacement, obviously.

There is NO EXCUSE for Trump's approach to this pandemic.

And, it HAS been Trump's approach (firing the team, denial, delay, ignoring science, stating it's "fake news" from Democrats, and a continuing stream of falsehoods concerning every aspect) - regardless of his denials of any personal responsibility.