Please explain the Coronavirus. Is it that deadly or not?

I don't believe we know how many of COVID19. How could we, given that we have almost no testing.

The NYTimes today has a map of where this virus has been found (which is centered in a few places, but sprinkled all across America). It also shows the growth rate which approximates what one would expect from a virus.

What we're seeing today is the transmission dynamic of a week ago. It can be transmitted before symptoms and only serous cases are being found.

Multiple experts state that shutting down travel from EU is essentially useless. And, it's a distraction since it's here all across the USA and we need to be focused on that.

Rather than leading, Trump is downplaying this threat, not promoting what we need to do to get it in control.

 

lol - absolutely!

Still, it would be interestig to find out how South Korea has done so much better than we have.

 

The day after Trump's stirring speech to reassure Americans his government is doing all it can to help during this crisis, the Dow plunged 2353 points, and the stock market had it's worst day since the 1987 crash.

 

I understand. It's confusing. The statements coming out of the White House and Trump's statements conflict with one another. Americans don't know what to believe, but, given what we do know, this might simply be a different virus for the common cold. There are hundreds of them.

The numbers are just not very serious.

 

Well ...

Obviously, experts do massively disagree with that.

 

Virus aren't concerned one inkling with cults.In fact,virus are
a cult all their own.We have proof as demonstrated by posters how
dramatically different this sort of Virus was handled in 2009 under
Obama.That H1N1 infected over 60 million in the U.S. It was never
presented in the MSM the way this Corn-virus is.Not even close.
Not one inkling.In fact,it was presented entirely different.
That is all any American citizen should be concerned with.
That speaks volumns.Unless one is a brick stupid Obama low information
voter who is used to All Obama Happy Talk.

 

Unlike Obama's Academic excellence in explaining and managing
the 2009 H1N1 Flu which infected over 60 million in the U.S.
What do you have to say about them potatoes.?

 

The same Obama experts who Crafted ObamaCare and maintained
it would reduce insurance premiums by $2,500 a year for a family.
Plus Viper pol Chuckie Schumer insisted ObamaCare would be
an asset come fall in the summer of 2010.

 

In 2018 Trump fired our whole Pandemic Response team that Obama had built following H1N1, in recognition that our world is built to make disease travel rapid and the difficulty of creating treatments and remedies for new disease.

The director (Rear Admiral Ziemer) got ousted and his team were fired. This happened under Bolton as part of his reorganization of the National Security council.

Tom Bossert who had caled for a national strategy for pandemic and biological attack had been fired a month earlier.

Please think before you post.

 

If you think the media wasn't going crazy over H1N1, then I have to ask what planet you were living on at the time. Meanwhile, H1N1 had a mortality rate of about .02%, which no one should have to tell you is far less than 2%.

 

China has a biological weapons factory just outside of....Wuhan. I believe they let this one get away from them. Biological weapons have to kill the opposing army's troops and go away quickly so their troops don't get the virus when they move in to the area.

China closes makeshift hospitals as COVID-19 cases plunge

 

It’s either that or bat soup. All we know for sure is the Chinese flu began in China.

 

China has 3.7 million square miles and a population of 1.4 billion people. What are the chances of a virus emanating from the town where they have a bio-weapons lab and they say it came from eating Bats. Did they eat them raw? Heat is the enemy of viruses, that's why you get a fever when you have one. The bat soup meme just doesn't fly if they cooked them.

 

Since the virus became widely covered on January 20 (51 days through yesterday), these are China’s death figures:

3,158 coronavirus deaths
1,394,442 total deaths

Only 0.23% of deaths in China were due to the virus. Less than 1/4 of one percent.

We now also know that about 80% of the infections don't require much in the way of treatment, some so mild that people don't know they have it.
That means that the death rate percentage is substantially over-stated because the numbers don't even include cases that never resulted in a need for treatment.
It's also true that the large majority of deaths are in elderly people with weakened systems and/or respiratory issues- causing death in the same way the annual flu affects people; often by complicating existing conditions, bringing on pneumonia, etc. These are the people who genuinely need extra protection, just as they would from any flu or respiratory infection.

I think that when this is all over- we may find that the stress induced by over-reactions has caused more deaths than the virus. Stress is not only a direct killer in terms of blood pressure spikes and strokes, but it disrupts the bodies chemical system and is a trigger for cancer. Last week I got a call to help an elderly friend who was freaking out over seeing her retirement fund fall, running a BP of 250/129. Had to take her to ER.

Fear and panic makes people stop using their heads and judgment, and then they do stupid things. We can thank the media sensationalism for that.

 

I've considered the proximity of that lab as well- it's on the outskirts of the Wuhan city, and naturally the staff probably lives in the Wuhan area. While it's possible that there is no relationship, the odds would make that very doubtful.

 

-You pointed out a few aspects that make them different. I pointed out many that make them similar. Pointing out some differences does NOT make an analogy invalid. If they were exactly the same, it would not even be an analogy, it would be precisely the same thing. It seems when using an analogy in a debate, there is always someone that thinks they have rendered useless an analogy because a few differences can be pointed out. An analogy is NOT defined by what makes them different. It is defined by what makes them similar. In this case, there is a LOT that makes them similar.

-Of course we have a lot of cases that are not diagnosed and many that will come and go and no one will ever know. We do however know the number of deaths and even the number of those that have had severe cases, and as of yet it has still been a trickle. I am not saying that to imply that this will be nothing because it will surely grow, rather I am correctly pointing out that the numbers of severe cases is known. To whatever extent that you can correctly point to thousands of currently unknown cases because of a lack of widespread testing, I can also correctly point out that the current level of hospitalized patients does give us some indication. In other words, its not like we are going to wake up in the morning and because of testing we are going to realize there are 5 million people with the virus. How would we know this?......because not enough people are hospitalized that would reflect that level of spread.

 

Couldn't come up with anything I see.

 

Allow me to continue with my fantasy.

Viruses for the common cold are extremely contagious and are airborne pathogens. 80% of the people who come down with the common cold certainly know they are sick. In fact, caused by a runny nose, headachy feeling, shortness of breath, couphing spells, they are quite miserable. The symptoms last for about two weeks.

For the other 20%, the common cold can be quite serious. Many are elderly with underlying conditions such as respiratory ailments, heart conditions, and weaken immune systems. A very small percentage of these people die from the common cold.

Sound familiar?

 

When was the team created? Does it replicate the same functions as an existing team?

 

LOL!!!

Nice conspiracy theory.

What's your objective - trying to block the level of coopertion that is going on? Just general hate on Asia?

 

What?? When differences are significant, having similarities don't counter that in any way. It's as silly as saying there are lots of similarities between abombs and TNT bombs.

Testing is not just important for measuring extent of the pandemic.

The PRIMARY tool we have today is personal isolation. That's why we're seeing closures. Those who test positive need to be more carefully isolated - wheter by personal responsibility or whatever means.

Seattle just bough a hotel as an isolation location. Schools are closed, etc. But, it goes farther than that, as when people must stay home, those exposed could be passing it to family members, too. So, those taking care of their grandparents, etc., need to know if they are helping or presenting serious risk.

We do not want to be in the situation that Italy is in. They have long run out of hospital beds and have literal death pannels to decide who should get a bed - based on age, condition, likely years of remaining life, seriousness of the disease, etc. They are turning away patients to die.

There are reasons they have it worse than we do at present. But, the idea here is to keep deaths down and slow the increase of those needing hospitalization.

Testing is a key to that.

 

I've pointed out why it's a ridiculous question.

 

No, actually, you did not.

 

It was created as a result of the H1N1 outbreadk.

It was a team of experts in infectious disease pandemics who were preparing to address problems EXACTLY like COVID19 - and worse.

I have no idea of any group of experts today who have similar function. Trump claims there are people who are trying to whp something together in short order.

However, we knew of this problem in JANUARY. And, we're still not even getting a straight story - after a month of Trump claiming to be the expert and to not worry.

Trump IS the cause of the inadequate federal level response today.

As for my state (WA) he first bragged about a million tests being available - which was false. Also, the first round of tests didn't work. Since then, testing has had limited availability, making it important to marshall testing to where it is most important - thus today Trump stated that our governor wasn't providing tests to all!!!

He also stated that he was hampered by laws before his administration. However, there were significant powers given to the administration to make exception to those laws. And our officials did not even know that existed. Plus, the previous administration created a team to address these problems, and Trump killed that.

His failure is clear, his denial of responsibility is disgusting, his aid is oriented to corporations, not those out of work and thus needing food.

Late due to his own actions, inadequate, untruth, explicitly not doing what he tells people to do (with no excuse), ...

 

OK, maybe I don't know what you are really asking.