Please explain the Coronavirus. Is it that deadly or not?

No, they don't. They call it Covid 19 because it started in 2019.

 

Yes. We have been told 80%. It is a very contageous virus which could easily hit 100% if people were not isolating as more are. The only thing which stops this virus is basically shutting down and that is what we need, what we should all be doing now. Hungary is apparently doing something of the sort and it has about 10 people with the virus. China showed us that was what we needed to do but we ignored it. Once you have it at the rate Italy has you are lost. Italy is saying its people's age range is from 43-83 - roughly and that they are getting people with previous good health as well and further that younger people are coming in later on. They are saying that already they do not have the ability to treat half the people they have and Italy apparently has a very good health service. They said they are turning away people with heart attacks and other emergencies because they simply have no one to see them or people are just being left to die with maybe something for pain. They are shouting at us to do what Italy has done at once if we want to avoid what they are going through. Their situation now is all shops except pharmacies and Supermarkets are closed and most people are either working from home or not working. Europe and the UK were off their heads allowing people to come from Italy once it took off and we are paying the price. With what Italy is saying - half of their people are under 65 - that would be between their 40's and 65 and not all have previous health problems t-he virus may be changing. Their is also a belief that younger people will be coming in later, their bodies having been able to withstand it for longer. I also noticed a Brit in his 20's or 30's being interviewed by the BBC tonight. He lived in China and had got the virus. He described it as going in three stages - just as he thought he was getting better it would move to a worse stage. He had no previous health problems but ended up in hospital with pneumonia.

 

The mistake I made had previously been noted and I corrected it. That's all. That's how I knew you hadn't read the entire thread before commenting. Not a problem.

 

Which is actually more a true - Twilight Zone - response than
the 60's TV series ever thought presentable.That future Americans would
be such Puppet/Lackeys' of the State that they would willy-nilly abandon
all cognizant sanity and fall over backwards at the first sign of a sneeze.

 

It will all disappear when the warm weather hits. Viruses die with the heat, it's why you get a fever. Your body turns up the thermostat and they die off. Global warming may save us all.

 

Funny how it worse in Countries with Government run health care.

 

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...l-than-other-viruses/articleshow/74251393.cms

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/14/cor...s-but-well-get-past-epidemic-astrazeneca.html

https://engnews24h.com/covid-19-is-more-contagious-compared-to-other-corona-viruses/

 

No it is worse in countries which do not work to contain it. Given that it is thought it has been spreading in the US for several weeks that will almost certainly be the United States and as I was seeing last night some of your states are now beginning some measures of containment if it is not too little too late. The main issue with this virus is now and always has been, being able to contain it so that health services are not overwhelmed. I am sure I heard China needed 14 or so new hospitals. What will the US do then or is the intent to let a lot of people die anyway, their lives being useless as they did not have insurance. Easy choice for the US who will die.

 

I've been right every time. The more we find out about this virus the less dangerous it is and the more democrats like you panic the worse the impact is on our economy.

 

Inside the United States what explains it is that the political Left AND their politically allied mainstream media outlets decided to deliberately panic the nation for political reasons having to do with the 2020 presidential contest. They are pointing the trembling finger of blame at Trump and then essentially cheering as they damage the national economy and cause people to act crazy over . . . the . . . flu.

 

https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/02...age-of-epidemics-often-stokes-fear-and-panic/

Happy?

 

Funny, US Citizens tend to vote to keep incumbents during time of crisis. Well, we have one now. The flippin NBA just shut down the rest of their season!

 

What is so wrong with comparing it to the flu? It has a lot of similarities to the flu, in how you can prevent infection, how you catch and spread it. If everyone were to use the same precautions with covid19 as they do to prevent catching, or spreading the flu, we would go a long way to preventing more cases of covid19.

 

Most of the time these schemes backfire on the Dem Party. We shall have to wait and see how this one turns out for them.

 

It's a sign of hubris to be spouting off about the contagiousness of covid19, since there has not been sufficient testing of it to make those types of sweeping declarations. Especially not as your last link stated back on February 22, 2019.

 

Well not exactly. How dangerous beer virus -as my wife calls it- actually is seems to be a function of how old you are and your current state of health. If you are old and have other cardio vascular issues or diabetes, 1 or 2 as far as I know, it can and will, put you in the hospital and may damn well kill you.

There have been reports of successfully treating the disease with currently available anti viral drugs. What we do not currently have is a vaccine. We are not likely to acquire one before next year unless we for go parts if the testing routine which might give rise to other worse problems down the road

 

Tom Cole the history major? The CDC has not been cut. You have any other red herring for us?

 

My university is shutting down their campus and moving all classes to online classes starting March 23rd. Ugh. I hate online classes. I don't know how its going to work yet for some of my classes, especially labs.

 

If we had the FDA, then I doubt we'd of gotten penicillin, or the polio vaccines. Who could afford the equivalent of a billion dollars to develop them, back then?

BTW, I'm not going to waste my time and guess at which comments by Trump set you off.

 

You'll probably watch videos of other people doing the labs, and they will call it good enough.

 

Sigh. Probably.

 

The common flu kills .1% of people it infects. Covid is estimated to kill between 2-4% of confirmed cases. Problem is that different countries have different mortality rates and as it spreads that rate changes. Also there are a lot of people who have it that aren't being reported. So the real mortality of Covid might be between .5-1%.

Every person sick with the flu infects another 1.3 people. Someone with Covid infects between 2-3 people. This is because Covid is more infectious than the flu and has an incubation period of 5 days vs 2 days for the flu. This means that sick people are walking around for longer with no symptoms infecting people. This is one reason why the number infected is probably undercounted.

When we study the confirmed covid cases, 80% experience mild, or in many cases even no symptoms. This means that a lot of people have Covid and don't even know it. And this also explains why we certainly vastly under-counting the number infected. And because of the under-counting, the number with mild symptoms is certainly greater than 80%, maybe 90% if we include people who aren't confirmed.

But out of the confirmed cases, there are 15% with severe symptoms. Severe cases involve pneumonia and shortness of breath. And 5% of confirmed cases are critical with respiratory failure, septic shock, and/or multi-organ failure. About 50% of these severe case people eventually die.

The common flu infects 40 million people per year in the US. and about a billion people worldwide. It kills between 250,000 and 500,000 worldwide and 20,000 - 50,000 in the US. Covid has 5-10 times the mortality rate and is more infectious, but people are doing more about Covid than the flu.

So I'm estimating that Covid will kill several hundred thousand people in the US, and several million globally. Due to its infectious nature, efforts to stop its spread will fail and only slow it down. Summer tends to be bad for viruses so it will decline then, but will pop back up in the winter, every winter, until we have a vaccine.

I don't suggest quarantine and shutdowns for Covid because these cost trillions in economic damage and only slow the virus down, and once they are stopped, the virus will begin to spread normally again.

Instead we should focus on the sick wearing face masks, the sick staying indoors, people washing hands properly and often, and limit face touching. We should also focus on a vaccine but that is many months away, maybe even years. We should also focus on properly caring for the sick, reducing shortages in our healthcare systems, and overall reducing the mortality rate.

 

This is one if those times when our far lower population density is a plus...

 

And even then, putting this into prospective 1%-4% isn't too terrible if it's eventually contained and we get a vaccine for it. I mean, it'll just be another thing to add to the list of outside conditions that can fatally harm humanity.

 

I have read other estimates which place the mortality rate for covid19 at 1%, we really do not know.

The rate of spread and death also depends on the culture and population density. If people are packed in like sardines, with households of nine people and their neighbor's household is living five feet away with ten people. Is the population healthy? Is their environment relatively sanitary, or is it germ infested? Does the population travel on cramped mass transit? Do they respect other people's private space, or do they come in personal contact with other people throughout the day?

There are a lot of factors which determine the contagion and mortality rates, and I have heard that we don't know enough to make declarations yet.