“It Will Be A Shock”: Ukraine Lost 500,000 Soldiers In War So Far, Nearly 30,000 Per Month: Lutsenko

The US two party system is intellectually and morally bankrupt.

 

wow, i've never met someone that defended Hitler before. Well done.

 

Lol, non one defended Hitler, quite the opposite. You apparently missed the point completely. Well done.

The point is 'evil' does not arise from nothing. It is ALWAYS a reaction to some other real or perceived injustice. That does not justify what results from the reaction, but it does show how such evil can be prevented or minimized. Another example is the genocide in Israel. Why do you think extremists and radicals keep emerging from these places? What do you think people who lose dozens of their closest family members will think of Israel and the the government who enabled them, the USA? They are going to want revenge. Israel is guaranteeing that bloodshed continues, making a whole new generation of radicals. The same way the over the top demands from the treaty of Versailles created the environment in Germany that caused people to VOTE Hitler into power. Again, not justifying what Hamas and Hitler did.

We need to think before we smash everyone and everything that disagrees with us with missiles and bombs. It is a sign of a lazy and cowardly people.

 

Ruddish. Putin had plenty of choices and he chose to try to recreate a dead empire by force. No one goaded him into that, Putin did that all by himself. Like other fascist dictators he did this and no one else is to blame for anything.

Eastern Europe is made up on independent countries who get to decide their own policies and alliances. It doesn't matter if the corrupt dictator in Moscow likes it or not because he has no say over what independent countries democratically decide to do for themselves. Everyone but paid Putin troll factory workers understand that.

 

The pro-Puton crowd usually does defend Hitler because they know Putler is his modern protege who uses the exact same excuses and lies to attempt to justify his optional wars of aggression.

 

Yes - we've turned over MASSIVE influence to the super wealthy and corporations.

We did that through explicit actions of our representation.

Today, we even have SC Justices entirely paid off by sugar daddies.

 

The Russian invasion of Ukraine is NOT a civil war. And, it doesn't offer an opportunity for improvement in democracy or freedom.

 

Especially if Russia loses and the dictator of Russia loses power.

 

Putler will drag everyone ....or as much as possible down with him.

 

The emotional argument holds sway, in part because if one doesn't make that argument one has to look at the sobering truth: We, collectively as a human race have dealt with this problem since the end of WWI, and honestly we haven't come up with any answers: One of Germany's justifications for disregarding Versailles was: "Well, France/England you're not disarming either" and despite the war crimes: On that, we can't say it was a faulty statement.(Nor could one entirely blame France/GB for not disarming)

Hell, WWI was caused BY a collection of alliances(well, among many other things.). As you point out, the Warsaw Pact was a counter to NATO, and everyone acknowledges at this point that NATO is a counter to Russia.

There is no security in a 'defensive measure' regarding a country. We are not protected by NATO. We're protected by our armed forces and as Jefferson pointed out: Our extremely fortuitous terrain and geopolitical position, with an English Friendly(Canada) north of the border and Latin America generally poses no threat or even interest in becoming a threat.

We could leave NATO, tomorrow and these facts of our geopolitical superiority would go unchallenged. Europe would be screwed, but that's not my problem.

 

We are being hypocrites in the scenario. Speaking of the Cuban Missile Crisis, that wasn't resolved through a peace treaty. It was resolved by two countries(USA AND USSR) both saying they would do something(us removing weapons installments from near the USSR border, I wanna say we had installments in Turkey? But don't hold me up to that) and in exchange, they would remove the Cuban installments(also for some strange reason, probably more at the behest of the Cuban Government, we had to promise not to invade Cuba.)

None of that was put to a paper, it wasn't signed. The situation was too urgent. From the USSR prospective, if we could keep that verbal agreement, why couldn't we keep the other agreements?

Sure, today we try to pin it on self-determination and that these countries can join whatever alliance they want, but nothing stops us from saying 'no' to them joining either. To the Russian government, the west has done very little to resolve the situation in Europe.

Seriously, if Putin dies tomorrow will that change the hostility to the absolute stupidity of accepting Finland into NATO(150 km from St.Petersburg). Finland has the potential to be the 21st century Poland of WW2.

 

It's actually also stupid of the European nations when you think about it more closely: They are afraid of Putin's Russia(or Russia in general), why then would NATO close the distance by admitting alot of these countries? You would think they'd want a buffer, that buffer used to be Ukraine and Russia attacked because wrongly or not, they perceived that Ukraine was increasingly losing its neutral status.

Now, NATO is considering admitting Ukraine which is the furthest thing from resolving the situation(or securing Ukraine). Instead, Putin and his military advisors get to say: "See, we were right they are going to join", and as the situation escalates, it'll become something very common in Europe: "Fight until the last man"

I don't see a future in Europe where NATO is anything but a powder keg that will always erupt(similarly to the WWI alliances.) Unless Russia falls or joins NATO. NATO failed to secure Europe, it's done.

Putin's decision to attack was undemocratic and evil, but he is generally right that Europe needs a new security framework. Both in that the US cannot be party to this conflict forever and that something has to happen to thaw the mutual distrust and anxiety that brought us to this point.

We need a new Congress of Vienna. We need all of the European powers at a table, with mutual respect to discuss border issues, peace relations and how they can coexist.

 

The US made a major change to the existing system of intergovernmental finance at the end of WWI when it required its allies to repay loans made prior to the American military becoming involved in the "War to End All Wars:"

https://michael-hudson.com/2023/02/trade-theory-no-room-for-gunboats/

"...what WWI did was for the first time it changed the whole rules of how allies and other countries settled all of the balances and the mutual aid that had built up during the war..."

"All this changed when the United States said, 'Well during the war of course we’re not going to charge you for the tanks and all the aid we gave you during the war, but we didn’t enter the war when you British did and French did, so you’re still going to have to pay us all the debts that you ran out when we were a neutral country, before we entered the war.'

"These debts were enormous, and the Allies didn’t know what to do.

"They didn’t want to be impolite to the United States so they said, 'All right, we’re going to make Germany, the loser, pay reparations. That will enable us to pay you the inter-ally debts.'"

 

It IS a Ukrainian battle for self determination. What else could it possibly be?

Being adjacent to Russia isn't a reason for a country to be rejected by NATO or for it's rights of autonomy to be ignored.

Can Ukraine live up to the requirements for joining NATO or joining the EU? I don't know. Whether they can or not, or even want to, isn't the issue.

 

Maybe they aren't "afraid". Your "fear" idea is a pretty big assumption.

Russia doesn't have a justification for whining about Ukraine joining NATO. The very fact that Russia has made war on them is a sound reason for Ukraine to look for support in its own defense.

Your idea that Putin thinks Europe needs a new security direction is ABSURD. Putin's desire is to use his military to extend Russia into Europe.

We have NATO. The NATO powers, most of Europe, get together to study defense issues. In part, that's what they are there for.

What's your suggestion for a "thaw"???

And, don't suggest sacrificing Ukraine to Putin in the hopes that it will quell his hunger for more.

 

Think about the Russian side: They see this growing, larger bloc that everyone says its meant to counter them(while also at the same time, believe that by calling it a 'defensive pact' the Russians should have no worries!), they're supposed to sit back and accept it. Meanwhile, they took Crimea and the whole world reacted.

We're not really being levelheaded about it(and when you look at it from a self-centric posiiton, of course we're not levelheaded. It doesn't really affect us one way or another, combined with historic anti-russian antagonism as you pointed out, then no wonder this is where we are today.)

Nation relations affect other nations, and whether Ukraine likes it or not, Russia is one of those nations.

Whether we like it or not, unless we're willing to put the boots on the ground required to completely dust off the Russians, any solution will involve Russia.

And her issue is with her isolation and containment, and clearly saying "Defensive pact, luls" is not reaching the Kremlin. So we've got to find other ways, even if it means other parties(including Russia) aren't happy with the deal.

 

It's not an idea, a couple of weeks after the announcement of his offensive(ahem, the so-called "special military operation"), he made a speech regarding this(that I read with english subtitles.)

And i wholeheartedly disagree with using violence to get there, but I do agree we have to get there. These nations, aligned in a bloc only serves for distrust. It'd be different if Russia and the NATO bloc could coexist, but there was some very small signs at that, and in Russia's eyes, NATO saying that Russia "would have to apply" was a joke, and a thinly disguised lie: Other nations were admitted into NATO, the idea that they couldn't fasttrack Russian application would naturally not make sense to them.

And yes, they are scared or they wouldn't join the defensive pact to begin with. But the NATO pact is not an umbrella of safety for these nations, it is a commitment to the conflict(a defensive war, but a war nonetheless.)

It's not a substitute for diplomacy, but that's what it's been used as. And that's why its not working. And as long as they use it like that, we the US will 'commit to NATO land'(President Biden remarks)

That, to me, is wholly unacceptable and a red line. I don't think Commander Eisenhower envisioned a 'nato land', or the need for such in the event of the fall of the USSR. Both Russia and Europe have to come to the table(1812 Vienna.) And we, the US can mediate and take part in these talks.

But they have to hash out their centuries long disagreements, once and for all.

 

I seriously doubt that report as propaganda from Russia.

Ukraine is smaller than Canada at about 30 million people....1,000 dead per day...all the able bodied fighters would be dead by now.

And your report doesn't say squat about Russian dead.

What's the weather like at the Kremlin right now. I hear its hot and getting hotter.

 

You also heard that the sanctions were going to kill Russia and that they were the aggressor in Ukraine, and so many other falsehoods.

How is that working out for you?

 

Yawn, in reality Russia is losing 5 KIA to every 1 Ukrainian KIA while wounded are 3 to one in Ukraine's favor. Being a defender really helps as does having a modern medical corp vs the orcs primitive and corrupt medical corp.

 

I don't recall any widespread predictions on whether sanctions were going to make a large impact. It's just the only other thing we can do short of jumping directly into the conflict. I recall more that China prevented the sanctions from having a large impact.

Russia is definitely the aggressor, no doubt at all.

Both sides have huge losses. I recall something like 300k Russian casualties vs 150k Ukrainians. That may sound good for Ukraine, but Russia can afford the losses much more than Ukraine. Both sides lie about their numbers of casualties.

 

You don't recall such because you have selective amnesia, closely related to cognitive dissonance.

 

Way to go USV, that's exactly what and how Joe Biden wants you to think.

As Mr. Casey of CIA noted in 1981, when everything the American people believe is false, we will know the success of our misinformation efforts. The stats you quote are pure propaganda, and you're not quite aware of it yet.

 

Right....so the USSR never lost in Afghanistan...never collapsed.....and Warsaw Pact still exists...Kremlin just "loaned" the ex -members to NATO?

Russian logic....2+2=16

 

America has not changed since 1776, or should not have.

We were born from war, and never stopped being at war,
and should never do anything except fight in wars.

Anything else like growing food is a futile distraction.

No, I don't know what freedom is, but that's what
all those wars make, somehow, by magic.