12yr. old shot by police in Cleveland (another toy gun)....

The kid didn't even have a firearm, let alone brandish a firearm.

 

Not them.

Drive a police car at high speed into a playground and shoot an innocent little kid and I will refer to you as a pig.

 

you're splitting hair... he did have what the officers THOUGHT was a firearm.....


This is not a new concept here people.... if you have a toy gun, and present it as a real gun, you can't act surprised whenever people treat it like you have a real gun and shoot you.


it's very unfortunate that this 12 y.o. died because of this.... but 12 yos have all the mental capabilities to know you shouldn't point guns (real or fake) at cops.

 

Are you also the type who jokes about the bomb in his suitcase when going through airport security?
After all there's not really a bomb, right, so why the commotion.

 

He brandished a replica, which was indistinguishable from a firearm. So much so that the police were called.

 

Why do you keep repeating that blatant falsehood?

 

I'm not repeating a falsehood. I'm repeating the facts of the incident.

 

The fact of the mattter is that the child was not brandishing a firearm.

And another fact of the matter is that BB/pellet guns are very distinguishable from firearms. For example, they do not have a firing pin.

They also do not require gunpowder to operate. Therefore they are not firearms.

And kids can possess firearms. The first time I ever used a firearm was at a police department firing range when I was 9 years old. And none of the cops shot me for possessing a firearm.

Those are facts.

 

Right. He was brandishing what appeared to be a firearm. Really stupid idea.

Only way to make that determination is to disassemble the firearm. How were the cops supposed to do that?

See above.

Nope, and I've already proven otherwise.

No you didn't. But that isn't possessing. That's firing.

Technically. What they really are are misrepresentations of the facts in a completely obvious troll post.

 

How can you shoot a gun without first possessing it?

 

It's not in your possession if it belongs to your parent and they are with you.

 

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above is an M-16 machine gun and an Air-17 BB/Pellet gun. I had the Air-17 as a child. hell, I still have it today although it doesn't hold air so it doesn't work. But point either of those at a cop, you will end up dead.

I can absolutely tell the difference between the two. But when you're looking down the business end.... hesitation while trying to determine what it could be deadly for a cop....


Lesson is, don't let your kids run around unsupervised with ANY weapson.

 

There is no evidence that the little boy pointed his toy at a cop.

Everyone who claims that that little boy pointed a firearm at a cop is a disgusting liar.

Everyone who claims that that little boy "pulled a gun on a cop" is a disgusting liar.

Everyone who claims that an airgun is indistinguisable from a firearm is extremely ignorant.

 

That statement makes no sense whatsoever.

It's nothing but another ridiculous lie.

People oftentimes possess things that do not belong to them.

 

I played guns when I was little, and I was never stupid enough to walk up to a busy park, presumably packed with children, with the orange "this is not a real gun" tip removed from it, and pull it out and wave it around and point it at people who have no idea that he's "playing". That's part of the reason why I'm still alive. Also, if he was "playing", where were his friends? And If walking around by himself scaring unsuspecting people was his brand of fun, what would have happened when he got older?

As far as how old he is, it's enough that he could possibly have a lethal weapon in his possession. The cops are not looking at his face saying "uh, I don't know, how old do you think he is, about 17? Maybe 15? OK, lemme finish this cruller and we'll get out and casually walk over and ask the assclown who's randomly pulling a gun on people if that's a real gun."

They're watching his hands and what he's doing with them.

If blacks continuously want to be intrinsically opposed to the police, they're in for an uphill battle.

The basic points are, regardless of color:
1. don't frighten random people in public (Tamir Rice)
2. don't resist arrest (Eric Garner)
3. don't rob a convenience store for blunt rollups, threaten and assault the store owner, walk down the middle of a thoroughfare stoned off your tits, tell a cop to (*)(*)(*)(*) off when he tells you to move out of the street, sock him in the face when trying to take his weapon, run away, then turn around and charge at him intending to cause injury (Guess the (*)(*)(*)(*) who?)

Gilbert Collar was a white kid from Mobile, Alabama, naked and unarmed and tripping on acid who was shot by a black cop. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/09/gil-collar-lsd-dead-alabama_n_1952035.html

And nobody said (*)(*)(*)(*) about it. And there were no riots. And nobody held a grudge against the black cop who shot him.

So turn off your bull(*)(*)(*)(*) machine and come back to reality. Blacks need to get their heads out of their asses and stop messing with the law in general, and other blacks need to stop canonizing criminals as "emblems of movements".

And if you sanction this post, you're a hypocrite, because it's the mirror image of that matchbook ministry "Reverend" Al Sharpton's rhetoric, switching colors, with sense added.

P.S. If blacks have a problem with cops, whom do they call when their houses are getting robbed? The New Black Panthers? FFS.

 

Do you have any evidence whatsoever that Tamir's pellet gun had an "orange tip" removed from it?

An orange tip on a pellet gun is very rare. The vast majority of pellet guns that have been manufactured do not have an orange tip on the barrell. Some of them that were manufactured in recent years might have, but the vast majority of them don't.

That is common knowledge.

 

here, boys and girls......I wonder how the department can clear this guy......
Cleveland officer who killed boy, 12, was previously deemed unfit for duty

The rookie Cleveland police officer who fatally shot 12-year-old Tamir Rice last month had been deemed unfit for duty at a previous police department and was in the process of being fired when he resigned from his post, according to records released Wednesday.

Cleveland police have said Officer Timothy Loehmann, 26, shot Tamir as the boy held a toy gun at a recreation center on Nov. 22. Video released last week of the incident shows Loehmann and his partner, Frank Garmback, driving up within feet of Rice, then Loehmann shooting him at close-range seconds later.

Both officers were placed on paid administrative leave, and an investigation into the shooting is ongoing.

Last week, police identified Loehmann as having fired the fatal shot. According to The Associated Press, Loehmann has been a Cleveland police officer since March. Before that, he spent five months in 2012 with the police department in the Ohio suburb of Independence, about 13 miles south of Cleveland. Four of those five months were spent in the police academy, the AP reported.

According to Loehmann's personnel records, released by the city of Independence, police officials were in the process of firing him when he resigned in December 2012. Supervisors described an emotionally unstable recruit with a "lack of maturity" and "inability to perform basic functions as instructed" during a weapons-training exercise.

In a statement issued Wednesday evening, the Cleveland Police Department said that it had not reviewed Loehmann's Independence personnel file during his background check. According to Cleveland police spokesman Ali Pillow, detectives interviewed the human resources director for the city of Independence, who told them there were no disciplinary actions or incidents in Loehmann's file. The manager told detectives Loehmann left because he resigned for personal reasons, Pillow said.

Current policy does not require the department to review previous employers' personnel files, the department said, but police officials say they are now amending those policies to request such files.

According to a memo sent by Deputy Chief Jim Polak of the Independence Police Department to the city's human resources manager, Loehmann was visibly "distracted and weepy" during a gun range training course, and could not follow simple directions or communicate clearly.

"His handgun performance was dismal," read the memo, which called the incident a "dangerous loss of composure." The training officer took Loehmann's weapons away and drove with him to pick up some of his other gear, but the officer continued to have an "emotional meltdown," crying at times as he described relationship problems with his girlfriend to his training sergeant.

In two other incidents, the documents say, Loehmann failed to follow instructions, at one point leaving his gun in an unlocked locker overnight.

"Individually, these events would not be considered major situations, but when taken together they show a pattern of a lack of maturity, indiscretion and not following instructions," the memo reads. "I do not believe time, nor training, will be able to change or correct these deficiencies."

The department recommended that Loehmann be fired. He decided to resign instead, the memo says.

In a letter dated Dec. 5, 2012, Loehmann wrote that he was resigning for personal reasons.

In his application for the Independence Police Department, Loehmann indicated that he'd graduated from Cleveland State University in 2011 with a degree in criminology and sociology. He claimed to own an M72 rifle and a Glock handgun. He wanted to become a police officer, he wrote, because "the community of Independence has a superb police department" and that "the position of patrolman is a stable job." He had never been a police officer before, he said.

In an entrance interview during a lie detector test taken for the job in Independence, Loehmann told an investigator that he had not had a full-time job in the last five years, and that he had applied to multiple police departments in 2010.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cl...ed-unfit-for-duty/ar-BBgj757?ocid=mailsignout

and yet his department cleared him. It has already been established that this cop is an habitual liar, and now he's been cleared? bull(*)(*)(*)(*)!! He's just going to move on to another police department that will give him awards for this kind of behavior............

 

No, you did not. You claimed that federal law prohibits children from possessing a handgun. Then when you were asked to quote the actual clause in a federal law to back it up, you merely linked to an extremely biased and idiotic blog rather than quoting the actual law.

 

Proven false.

Not with the owner present.

Kids can't possess handguns, and I've proven that

 

Unequivocally proven. I gave you the federal statute 5 times so far.

I didn't claim anything. I proved it showing you the federal statute.

the ATF is not a blog. And you were given the specific federal statute 5 times.

Claim I didn't again and you'll br reported for trolling.....again.

 

It's the truth. You didn't. You have not quoted anything from the US Code that says no children are allowed to possess firearms. You cannot do that because no such federal law exists.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

 

https://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulemakings/treasury-decisions/td-402.html

6th time posting the statute.

Reported for trolling.

 

From the ATF blog you linked to.

 

I didn't link to a blog. And nowhere does it say that. Here is what it actually says.....he Youth Handgun Safety Act (YHSA), 18 U.S.C. 922(x), generally
makes it unlawful for a person to transfer a handgun to anyone under 18
years of age or for anyone under 18 years of age to knowingly possess a
handgun

Reported again for trolling

 

It's a direct quote that I copy and pasted from the blog you linked to.