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  1. holston

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    http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/trillions.html
    The Israelis LIED about the Levon affair until their feet were held to the fire and they no longer could. They had so much egg on their faces that the Prime minister had to resign.

    Israel also lied about sinking the USS Liberty.

    The Mossad knew in advance that the Marine Corps barracks in Beirut would be attacked but withheld that information in order to advance their own agenda. The result was lost American lives.

    Over and over the Zionist faction in this country has demonstrated their capacity to lie and willingness to dispose of American lives............as long as they are gentiles!


    So what are white Christian American males faced with in this country? A pack of liars who would just as soon see us all dead who refuse to submit to Zionist domination and rule.

    The question really is not whether the Jewish faction had anything to do with 9/11, but rather how many of us value our own personal lives so much so that we would be willing to live under the rule of a Jewish organized crime syndicate who employs "Russian" Jews from the former USSR to do their dirty work?

    Some years ago anyone who joined the military faced the prospect of meeting "Russian" foes on foreign soil. Now they are on US soil just as Kruschev predicted!

    So what difference should it make to us whether we should die here or there?
     
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    Really? According to you only the gullible and uninformed look at the evidence instead of listening to the retarded opinions of truthers? Wow. I really think you have that backwards. See, it is only gullible and uninformed retards that believe truthers that can't back up their claims like guns being around the Pentagon or 86 cameras at the pentagon. Did you back up your claims? Nope. Not a one. Here you are just spouting nonsense and insults without addressing anything. So typical.

    Really? You have evidence? Or are you just going by what you think a controlled demolition should look like like the rest of your truther buddies. Don't bother answering that question. We all know the answer. You don't have (*)(*)(*)(*).

    And you have even less evidence of a zionist cabal setting up and pulling off 9/11 than you do of space aliens coming down and "examining" people in the neighborhood. :lol:

    Who gives a (*)(*)(*)(*) what someone like you thinks. I am not the one lying his ass off because he is afraid there is a Jew behind every blade of grass. I am not the one making ridiculous claims I can't back up. That would be you.

    :blahblah::blahblah: grow up. You're so afraid of everything that it is seriously affecting your ability to function as a member of society.

    I have no problem at all exposing your lies and just how utterly idiotic your claims are. The fact that all your response is is whining like a little (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) only proves you can't back up your own claims.

    You most certainly do. Fortunately for the world, there are very few white supremicist (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s out there and their numbers are shrinking as they are usually too (*)(*)(*)(*)ing stupid to be able to procreate.

    Man, if you think I am making you allies instead of showing just how retarded your claims are, you need to seriously re-examine your posts and my responses. Nobody could look at what you post and what my response is and think you are in any way dealing with reality.

    Except I am a white Christian male. The difference is I'm not a bigoted racist who sees everyone who doesn't go in lock step with his claims like a good little Nazi as the enemy.
     
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    I would bet there are precious few if ANY of those 3,000 that would want to be associated with the likes of you in ANY way, shape or form. BTW, since when has justice been all about making up lies? It is all you do.
     
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    http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_ZionSummary.html



     
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    How timely.
     
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    cont.
    http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_ZionSummary.html
     
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    4) Pentagon cannot account for $2.6 trillion

    The accountants at the Pentagon claim that they cannot account for $2.6 trillion. The man at the top of this accounting mess is Dov Zakheim, a dual Israeli/American citizen.

    In testimony before the Congress, Donald Rumsfeld minimizes it as an innocent mistake:

    SEC. RUMSFELD:
    ...
    I know Dr. Zakheim's been trying to hire CPAs because the financial systems of the department are so snarled up that we can't account for some $2.6 trillion in transactions that exist, if that's believable. And yet we're told that we can't hire CPAs to help untangle it in many respects.
    ...




    And then he makes a joke about it:

    REP. LEWIS: Thank you, Mr. Moran.

    Mr. Secretary, the first time and the last time that Dov Zackheim and I broke bread together, he told me he would have a handle on that 2.6 trillion by now. (Laughter.) But we'll discuss that a little —

    SEC. RUMSFELD: He's got a handle; it's just a little hot. (Laughter.)

    The transcript is here:
    www.dod.gov/speeches/2001/s20010716-secdef2.html
     
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    http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_ZionSummary.html

    Many thanks to the "French Connection" web site for use of their concise compilation of these points.
     
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    More anti-semite crap, check.

    You're protecting the terrorists who planned and executed your little plan, and killed 3,000 of my countrymen. In order to have your plan go off without a hitch, firemen and policemen would have to be in on it. How about you and I visit some local New York firehouses and see who the real victims agree with? I will bet money it's not your side.

    You guys have done NOTHING in 11 years, absolutely nothing. You haven't exposed any lies, or refuted any real evidence. All you've done is posted anti-semite crap here for a few days. What are you doing to get the detainees out of prison? Are you helping with their defense? Have you sent this information to their lawyers? Have you done anything other than sit here and preach ignorance, hate, and bull(*)(*)(*)(*) to people on a website...that don't even both to read it. Just reply to you as grown ups reply to children. A pat on the head, a "I know kiddo", and then back to grown up talk.
     
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    6) Israelis are suspected of instigating fights even today in Iraq

    Who really was behind the abuse at the Abu Ghraib prison? Take a look at the Israeli ties to the abuse at Abu Ghraib:
    • www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=48426

    Who is "John Israel"?
    • www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=48433

    Do Iraqi's have video cameras built into their rifles?
    • http://judicial-inc.biz/Israelis_In_Iraq.htm

    Who are the "contractors" in Iraq?
    • http://judicial-inc.biz/Mercs_ambush_marines.htm
     
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    The following several posts are taken from:
    http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_ZionSummary.html


    7) The media is controlled by Zionists

    One the most important pieces of evidence that Zionists are the masterminds to almost all the world's corruption is that they dominate the media of Europe, North America, and Australia.

    No crime network could get away with a crime as enormous as the September 11 attack unless they can suppress investigations and evidence.

    The media executives must either be under the control of the crime network, or they must be part of the crime network.

    Some people claim that the media companies are helpless victims of a mysterious, nebulous group called the Globalists, or the New World Order, or the Illuminati.

    However, until somebody can identify these mysterious people and explain how they force media companies around the world to cover up horrendous crimes, it makes more sense to assume that the media is directly involved in these crimes, and they are among the top members of this criminal network.

    The most logical explanation is that the Zionists are promoting other Zionists to top positions in the government, media, banking, Hollywood, and education. The more Zionists they promote, the easier it is for them to take control of the nation and suppress evidence of their network.

    • Zionist Power Structure In America
    www.the7thfire.com chapter_7

    • One of many lists of Jews:
    www.reference.com/browse/wiki/List_of_Jews

    The Zionists remove complaints about them, or they condemn critical remarks as "anti-Semitic". For example, did you know that President Truman was irritated by Zionists:
    www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A40678-2003Jul10

    Truman was pushed into helping Israel get established. Here is a brief description of Israel's history to help you understand why Truman was irritated:
    www.EricHufschmid.net/HistoryOfIsraelAndTheUSA.html
     
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    It's just as Henry Ford said, the Jews are international.

    They have a World Jewish Congress.

    Have you ever heard of a world "White European/ Anglo Saxon" Congress? Well, have you?
     
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    I'm not sure to what degree that "most" 9/11 Truthers are Zionists.
    I suspect that they, like most people, are simply afraid to name the Jew. People intuitively sense the consequences of any criticism which is aimed at Zionists, Israel, or Judaism. The threat is more than just palpable here, as this forums Zionist attack poodles are demonstrating very plainly.
     
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    Again, I would stop short of saying "most". It really doesn't require a majority to poison the well so to speak, just administrators, mediators, moderators, directors, and other types of managers.
     
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    Both Bush and Obama have served well as scape goats or patsies if you prefer.
     
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    http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_ZionSummary.html


    Conclusion

    Standing up to Italian crime gangs is not anti-Italian; standing up to American crime gangs is not anti-American; and standing up to homosexuals who have been blackmailed over their homosexuality is not anti-homosexual.

    So don't be fooled into thinking that standing up to Zionist crime gangs is anti-Semitic!

    When you are ready to stop being a victim of crime networks, join with us by helping to educate people.

    And prepare to fight this criminal network:

    Prepare for the Battle



    There. I saved you the trouble of clicking over.

    I would like to add that these antagonists are enough to make anyone go on a tirade that would definitely sound anti-semitic. Don't allow them to succeed. They WANT their critics to appear to be hateful and fanatic. They know if they can get the Nazi or anti-Semite label to stick, that they don't need to do anything else. Public indoctrination takes care of the rest for them!
     
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    Your own website doesn't even agree with you. You quoted

    They don't even believe what they're saying, they can't even prove something that you are posting is true. Yet, you are trying to use this as evidence of something? Do you realize how dumb that makes you look? LoL. Hilarious.
     
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    [video=youtube;YBpTUl5SaWI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBpTUl5SaWI[/video]


    What is the debunker explanation for the tiny bits of human remains that were found on top of the Deutsche Bank building and elsewhere?

    How does a building simply falling down manage to shred human bodies and hurl them out and away from the inside of the collapsing building?

    Wait. Don't tell me.

    It was air pressure coming down from the falling floors above.
    The peoples lap tops, computers, radios, coffee makers, and copy machines must have become super heated right before the building fell down due to the erupting jet fuel that drenched the entire buildings. When they blew up they also blew up the persons standing next to them, whose miniscule pieces were then ejected 100 yards or so through the windows which were already popped out everywhere.

    [video=youtube;hpjsFQuf_7U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpjsFQuf_7U&feature=related[/video]

    [video=youtube;kXEZp-ULmXw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXEZp-ULmXw&feature=endscreen&NR=1[/video]
     
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    How about a couple of planes slamming into an adjacent skyscraper at 500 mph and exploding? Hmmm ... That might just do it.
     
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    Glad to see you're sticking to what you know. Not adding to a conversation, and not able to answer questions or provide information to the contrary. Good work.
     
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    No. Not considering the trajectory.

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    Consider the numbers and sizes of the parts and the area over which they were scattered.

    Many people were puzzled by the condition of the bodies and the fact that so many of the victims were never even found.
    Not only that, people were astonished that so much material inside the buildings was pulverized to such an extent.

    Common sense tells you that if a person is inside a building and the building falls on them that they are not going to be blown into tiny bits and hurled outside of the debris pile.

    At any rate, the planes crashed into the buildings. This means that the people being struck on the inside would be pushed further to the center of the building.

    You need to take into account other factors like wind velocity and resistance.

    http://www2.ae911truth.org/ppt_web/2hour/slideshow.php?i=437&lores=1

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    The bone fragments found on the Deutsche Bank building could not have been generated from the plane impacts. The plane that hit the nearby South Tower flew over the Deutsche bank building – sending its ejections toward WTC 7.

    Sorry, no Cupie Doll.
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    Some people have more common sense than others. So now you're saying it wasn't Jews, it was Islam? You have a mosque pointed out there. Stick with a theory please, you're giving me whiplash.

    No kidding? Planes crashing and hundreds of thousands of tons of steel will cause that to happen. Are you insinuating now that explosives can cause those bone fragments to get that far away but airplanes crashing at 500 mph+ can't? That's a special sort of special.

    Also, can illustrate what explosives could do this while not making any sounds at all like explosives? Since we know for a fact, via independent study, that there was no explosive residue found at ground zero, what caused the fragments to get out that far?

    If true, which most of what you say isn't, then that is tragic. How absolutely horrible for those peoples families, and friends. My heart goes out to them.

    All the other stuff is garbage, easily debunked with pure common sense. You might want to find another board, no one is drinking the kool-aid here.
     
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    I haven't changed my theory. You have a problem with reading comprehension. One mistake you make is making false inferences, more commonly called "jumping to conclusions".

    A good example of this is the erroneous idea that anyone who criticizes US policy concerning Israel is an "anti-semite" or to refer to a person or person by the identity which they assign to themselves is an indicator of this.

    An illustration of this might go like this: A bank gets robbed. A witness describes the suspect as being "a black male" etc.
    To identify a person this way is not an indication of "prejudice" or "racism". It just so happens that the description fits.

    If a cabal of people identify themselves as Jews or Zionists then there is no sin in me doing the same, whether it is to call attention to a good attribute or a bad one. Unfortunately "political correctness" in the US only allows Jews or Zionists to be identified as such when the reference to them is complementary. Anything else causes one to automatically receive the label "anti-Semite" or "Neo-Nazi".

    Frankly I am sick of having to explain this idea over and over. It's so simple that practically anyone should be able to comprehend it.

    I may very well dislike a Jew or two in particular, but it's only because of things they do, not things which are beyond their control. I would dislike anyone else for the same reason. It so happens that I find much fault with what passes for Judaism these days.

    The fact is that the Jewish coalition is one of , if not the most powerful political entity in the US. The least that can be said for it is that it is highly influential. One might say it has an influence which is highly disproportionate to the number of constituents that it exists to benefit.

    This is a political forum. Therefore any and all political entities are fair game, including the Jewish one, whether what needs to be said is flattering to them or not. You must accept this fact.





    Examine the diagram. The momentum of the plane is going in the opposite direction in which the body parts were hurled.

    Bodies recovered from building collapses are not found blown to smithereens.

    Also a building which merely collapses due to structural failure only is not pulverized. Look at photos of building which have suffered a pancake collapse in the process of being demolished.

    The difference might be compared to the difference between wheat which has been thrashed and wheat which has been ground. It would be obvious which was which.
    Sounds of explosions were heard. Thermate can also made to be explosive.

    You need to site your "independent study", who did it, under what conditions, who financed it etc. I believe I know which one you are referring to but you need to post it so that it can be subjected to the same scrutiny which the Jones/Harrit study was. There is a standard format in which scientific reports are given. If you had high school Chemistry then you should be familiar with it.

    I also told you a few pages back that thermitic material was found in roughly 6% of the sample.
    I asked you how much thermite/mate would be necessary to fell a building and at what percentages should excess thermate and concentrations be expected to be found. Neither you nor your partners provided an answer.

    This would be a good place for you to do so.


    Well it's a good sign that you care about the pain that others have to endure. That's all the more reason that you should be as concerned as I am that justice be pursued in this case, not only for the sake of all those families who want a truly independent investigation, but also to help establish a precedent in case the next time a false flag attack involves you or your family personally.

    Many people don't care much about corruption in the judicial system or criminal acts until they themselves become victims!

    So it should be easy for you to debunk then, given all the common sense you claim to possess. Personal insults, groundless accusations, baseless assumptions, mockery, scoffing, and hand waving don't count.

    If no one visiting this forum is "drinking the kool-aid" then you have nothing to worry about. I can tell how concerned you are with everyone else's mental hygiene. But you have to be able to trust that, given the facts, people should be allowed to think for themselves and draw their own conclusions.

    The one thing you should not do, is try to prevent people from discovering ALL the facts for themselves. Otherwise you are as free to voice your opinion as I am mine. Don't expect everyone to accept your opinion as fact based on nothing more than your freedom to verbally abuse anyone who doesn't agree with you.

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