A Gut Check For The Religious

This is true, but I think his point is important in the sense that man is already a social animal to a degree, who will be maturing into what the ants and the bees now have, without the sexual reproduction being tied up with just one member of the hive.
We will though all become so sexually prudent as to be otherwise brothers and sisters except for our special mate.

 

In your opinion, could it conceivably be that our Ego is being viewed from a wrong perspective. What I am suggesting is this: Our ego, divided into separate parts (each having their own function) and each having their own level of authority over the mind and body, and each being able to communicate with one another and receive communications from the body.

 

Everyone is; but alas, most of us are not seekers after the truth.

It's also exactly as legitimate as a teenager's need to boink the girl next door.

How the hell can someone who makes a demand be absent?

Sure, if you're deluded about what you're looking for.

"Meant" by whom?

 

Evolution is not meant to be fair, by its very nature.......

 

I read a really interesting article this evening concerning Darwin and evolution. If you would like to read it, here is the link:
http://www.slideshare.net/zakir2012/harun-yahya-islam-charles-darwin-and-his-magic-barrel
The title above at the end of the link provides a sufficient introduction.

 

Obviously the question is just too scary.

 

Do mean "our psyche," or the whole facility of our mind?
That does seem to be what evolved, and I think the Genesis 2 is telling us this by using a parable about this "garden" that existed while "Adam" was in a "deep sleep," or state of evolution.

The Hebrew word for garden is a fenced off place, and Eden seems to fit nicely in the analogy as the brain, which does have four "rivers of thought" running through it, i.e.; the four Cortex Lobes where all our Conscious and subconscious thinking originates.
I see Adam as representing the Libido, Eve is the feminine principle of the Anima, while the snake is the logical/mathematically inclined Superego from which rejection and criticism arises in us even now.
The Self is that tree of knowledge about reality which we grow over millions of years, informing us now as to what is good and what feels bad.
It is what psychologists call the center for the Reality Principle.

Psychologists today use these four archetypes to determine our personality type
But "god, walking around inside and appearing to have come out of some hidden place to surprise Adam and Eve suggests this idea of the Unconscious mind' presence inside our psyche.

 

There had to be a particular day in ancient history when man first observed something beyond the immediate threat. Presto chango - consciousness. Things evolved to higher consciousness maybe, but there is no such thing as going from no consciousness to a little consciousness. It's either there or it isn't.

 

No need to become nasty or defensive simply because you do not quite understand the answer....I will try to make it a bit more in depth.

Due to the nature of the process of evolution, there will be inevitable extinctions of species when they do not adapt through mutation to environmental conditions, competition, or any number of variables. It will seem unfair to some that they have failed in this adaptation....yet this is the way Evolution functions.

Survival of the fittest and all that.

 

When you sleep, is it "there?"

 

That is The Truth about Reality.



Isa 45:7
I, (almighty Reality), form the light, and create darkness:
I, (both Friend and Foe of the living), make peace, and create (the environment for possible great misfortune), evil:
I, (both Friend and Foe to life and man), the LORD, (of the living), do all these things, (naturally, through the environmental forces).

 

This would rate it's own thread, but hasn't man perverted the evolutionary process through modern medicine and social programing? The weak and diseased and unmotivated keep breeding kept aloft through medicine and a free ride. They don't have to fight to survive and thus, corrupted genes, instead of passing on into the night through selective evolution, instead continue to be injected into the gene pool, diluting the strong who would normally survive and evolve alone, strengthening the species line. So as a species we become weaker, more vulnerable to disease, less physically superior.

( I realize how awful that sounds...but for the sake of argument)

 

For you there is, obviously.

That was an evasion, not an answer.

convoluted so everyone will forget the question you're evading? Not as long as I'm around.

 

For the purposes of this thread and forum, I will have to say everything within the skull until we reach agreement on terminology:
"psy·che 1 (sk)
n.
1. The spirit or soul.
2. Psychiatry The mind functioning as the center of thought, emotion, and behavior and consciously or unconsciously adjusting or mediating the body's responses to the social and physical environment."

I would also add: the garden you spoke of still exists today. I have often used the analogy of the mind being a garden and we as individuals are the caretakers of each individual garden. The purpose of the garden is to grow things, but like any garden that is not tended, the garden will grow all sorts of things, some needful and wanted, and others harmful and not wanted. Those things start with seeds (thoughts), as good caretakers we know the plants we want to grow and we know what their seeds look like.. so when we see unwanted stuff in the garden we should pluck it and make rid of it. Sometimes we will have a *good* neighbor who will throw stuff over the fence when we least expect it and it will germinate and start to grow.

I think you get the picture.

 

We who survive shall see...

 

In my opinion societal influences are a separate issue from evolutionary theory, though they may very well impact aspects of genetic diversity and variation. I simply do not see the needed time frames in a given society to have the required impact on the species, and feel that the use of technology may actually be just another means of species adaptation.

 

To the extent that people who would have died because of defects live to pass them on
its messing up the gene pool. No farmer would fail to select thro his seeds or animals
and have the best reproduce.

 

Longevity is irrelevant in the face of reproduction.....and, traits (genetic variables), tend to become extinct over time.

This generation has virtually NO impact on the species, but should it continue for sevaral hundred years it may.

 

if strength is how you measure progress, then yes. if civility and humane care for your fellows is perceived as an advance, then no.

besides .... evolution has no predertimined end point, no matter how much the religious would that it did. it is what it is, inclusive of welfare and medical science.

 

Science does take faith. Religion doesn't have faith, it has hope. Hope does not need a foundation like faith does.

 

I like the idea!
I'm not sure I agree, but the sentiment is correct...

 

Do the weaker ones tend to be right or left?

 

Kind of like "dark matter" maybe.
It is thought to exist by science for very good reasons, but yet not proven.

In ancient past, science agreed with the church to stay out of religion.
So science doesn't look for God.
But they could conceivably prove accidentally.