A woman who had a miscarriage is now charged with abusing a corpse as stricter abortion laws play ou

Sorry but the correct medical term for miscarriage is “natural abortion” or “spontaneous abortion”

 

Fetal deaths have to be reported. This woman deserves the same punishment as if her mother had died at home and wasn't reported. Ohio law has required this for at least nine years. So if she gave birth in her bathroom, the law required her to call 911. Instead she sought to dispose of it herself.

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3705.20/6-3-2014

The fetus in the opinion piece was 21 weeks. So it's clear Brittany Watts wanted to dump her crotch fruit and forget about it. If that wasn't the case, she would have stayed in the hospital.

 

please keep talking you are handing us 2024 on a silver platter. Most of the other conservatives who reacted to this story claimed it had to be fake because it was too hard to believe any prosecutor would bring charges this stupid.

 

I didn't realize she was trying to flush human remains down a toilet. That's ****ed up.

 

It sounds like she was not given optimal treatment at the ED because they should have given her some instructions as to what to do if the miscarriage completed

 

Multiple trips to the ED - why was she not treated there? Why was she not admitted to the hospital so the miscarriage could be monitored correctly? This is a failure of health care

 

See my Post #17... it's all part of the design to make medical professionals afraid to perform medical procedures.... and it's working...

This is a failure of government to be stopping health care....

 

A defacto intimidation tactic....similar but not the same is happening to the judges that are ruling on the merits of the law.....MAGA and the fascist right has gone full authoritarian. Colorado SOTUS's are now getting 24/7 threats.

 

We are talking about and in the context of law and legal terms, not medical.

 

Do we know why? Lots of women check out because they have kids at home or she may not have had medical coverage or…….

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/19/us/brittany-watts-miscarriage-criminal-charge/index.html

From the OP

 

Doesn’t matter - if you check the laws I am betting the same terms are used because laws are or should be very precise - feel free though to provide a link validating your stance

 

Ummm…yes it is. Miscarriage is also known as spontaneous abortion…educate yourself.

Edit: Sorry Bowerbird, you’ve already explained this…

Republicans have created the environment wherein this crap can occur…

 

This fustercluck is 100% the RESPONSIBILITY of the Xtofascist controlled GOP.

The 1st time she arrived at the ER she should have been ADMITTED and MEDICATIONS provided to INDUCE contractions so that the DEAD fetus could be delivered in a MEDICALLY controlled ENVIRONMENT.

EVERYTHING else that happened is ENTIRELY the RESPONSIBILITY of the Xtofascist controlled GOP.

That is how a JURY of We the People will understand what occurred.

These kinds of fusterclucks are WHY the Xtofascist controlled GOP are going to LOSE in 2024.

 

Another reminder that these laws are about controlling & punishing women.

 

The law that she is being charged with is felony abuse of a corpse. Her problem was that she went to the hospital three times to seek medical assistance on her uterus bleeding issue and each time she self checked out of the hospital against the doctor's advice. The appearance the hospital staff took was that something happened and that maybe she had a baby. So, the hospital called the police on a "welfare check" of the possible baby being born. The baby, according to the ME was born dead, a miscarriage, with blood all over the toilet and the deceased baby in a bucket.

I still don't see the felony charge here, nor a misdemeanor charge here. But I am concerned with the person being charged. One, why did she not stay in the hospital to take care of her medical needs? She had a very serious medical issue and self-checkout against the doctor's advice is not illegal under the patient's bill of rights. Second, she could have told them she had a miscarriage. Third, given the baby was not viable, why didn't she not seek medical help sooner? I think she needs psychological help more than anything else, but it was not criminal. And this is the main problem of how strict anti-abortion laws affect women's healthcare, physically and psychologically.

We see this in Texas with a woman named Cox. Texas has a very strict anti-abortion law and a very loosely, arbitrarily defined "life of the mother." What AG Paxton is stating is going after them criminally even though that is not in the Texas code. The law is civil, not criminal. In Ohio, abortion is banned at 22 weeks and is restrictive according to this website. And not sure if they have exceptions after 22 weeks. But this is why arbritary dates, such as 15 weeks, 22 weeks, etc is so convoluted medically speaking.

 

If your mother dies somewhere and you don't report it, does this mean I get to arrest you?

No wait, that law shouldn't apply to MEGA Conservatives because you guys are so SSSSSPPPPPPEEEEEECCCCCCCIIIIIIIIAAAAALLLLLLLLL. right?

I am not seeing the felony charge of abuse of a corpse here, nor a misdemeanor charge.

 

We only have the self serving testimony of the ER staff that she checked herself out AGAINST medical advice.

We have NOT heard from her as to WHY she "checked herself out".

Without both sides of the story it is unfair to be prejudicial as to her state of mind. She had a DEAD fetus inside of her and she was NOT checked in IMMEDIATELY strikes me as medical malpractice.

Something is not right here and we do not know enough to determine where the fault lies BEYOND the fact that in any NORMAL western nation this would NEVER have happened.

It is ONLY happening here and now because of the Xtofascist controlled GOP's War on Women's Rights.

 

The abuse of a corpse charge is specious at best. Any lawyer worth his salt can argue reasonable doubt to a jury just by asking how many of them have ACCIDENTLY flushed the toilet themselves or know someone who did?

 

I can see how the ER staff was concerned. That is why going there three times and leaving three times got their attention. If it was once, they would not have reported to the police. So, the ER staff is not self serving at all, just doing their job for a welfare check.

I think the questions I asked need to be asked by a medical professional. It is why I also think there needs psychological help for her than anything else. Again, no criminal charges here, just medical help. We don't know her medical insurance situation, her family relationship situation, her financial situation, which adds to the complexity of the story. In a broader sense, this has to do with health insurance issues for those who may not be able to afford it, even with Obamacare. And it goes to the greater issue of women's healthcare in general. Again, all healthcare should be the precise concern between patient and physician. State legislatures should not dictate what a physician can and cannot do whether it is abortion, LGBTQ, taking someone off life support, whatever. I do think the only thing the Government can get on is approving medications and regulating who can take those medications and for what reasons. But that's it. This would include traditional, holistic, and alternative medicine with religious exceptions.

 

Yes, it is. If you look at the Ohio statute, the difference between the felony charge and the misdemeanor charge is the word "sensitivity to the family." So, it begs the question if a family member is trying to throw her under the bus, like an ex-boyfriend who got her pregnant for instance.

 

As someone who gets paid to think (quite handsomely I might add) I don’t care that some rando kid on the internet thinks he’s smarter than me. Now let me carefully explain to you why your argument is dumb and you should feel bad.

First you say she needed to report the dead fetus. But she reported the death of the fetus on the day of the miscarriage. This was covered in the article in the OP.

Even if she had not done that, nothing in the code you cited says that a mother is responsible for reporting the death of her fetus. That probably explains why she is being charged with abuse of a corpse instead of failure to report her dead fetus.

Then you argue she must be guilty because she was admitted to the hospital three times prior to the miscarriage and left against the advice of her doctors. As an initial matter, how does this support the contention that she abused the corpse of her fetus? The fact that she could have possibly avoided having a miscarriage at home does not demonstrate that she abused the corpse of the fetus after she miscarried.

Second, the reason she left the hospital is that the doctors made her wait for nearly 8 hours while they decided whether they could abort under Ohio’s idiotic abortion laws.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...-anti-abortion-strategy-fetal-personhood.html

So to hold it against her for leaving the hospital after waiting 8 hours for an induction is patently stupid. Again, please keep speaking because every word is making you look and and me good. And the best part is you don’t even realize it.

 

Seems there is some selective qouting going on here..

And it goes on from here.. She fused the recommendation twice and signed out..

 

anti-choicers are a crazy bunch

 

it sounds like they were debating what to do based on the laws... she did not want to wait there - then they called the police when she had a natural miscarriage

seems the doctors are afraid of the laws and it's preventing them from doing what is needed in a timely manner

 

it is that crazy that one would hope it's fake.... but the sad thing is, it's probably true

if it's true, should the DA be fired?