Are most Christians cowards?

That is an absolute falsehood. In fact, I will defend -- with every fiber of my being -- your right to worship whatever you want, regardless of how silly I think your beliefs may be. Up until the point that you presume it's OK to impose your beliefs on me, we have no quarrel. Unfortunately, the faithful -- and I don't mean only Christians -- can't seem to do this. They are always sticking their nose into other people's business, and especially into the organs of government. That's where I have to draw the line, my friend.

Why can't you people just do your thing in peace and let the rest of us alone? I'm serious -- I'd really like an answer for that question, and I've been asking for years.

 

Did you have a problem with Janet Jackson's nipple on TV?

 

I don't mind that one bit -- as long as there is a factual basis for the pronouncement. There rarely is.

 

I have no problem with you people "telling me the good news." I am free to walk away, and I do. I do, however, have a tremendous problem with you legislating "the good news" and having the temerity to presume that it's OK to impose your beliefs on the rest of us like that. As I said, mind your own business and I'll mind mine.

 

My thoughts exactly. But let's not be too quick to excuse the Muslims -- they are not exactly the model of tolerance either.

 

Hey finally something we can agree on. I love you more each day.

 

YAWN.

When Christians talk about their faith, we are of course attempting to turn you Christian and its vile and disgusting and ... and ... and you need a super victim caoe to resist the vile temptation of .... Jesus of Nazareth, I mean he's right up there with Darth Vader ....

But when come into a religion forum and .... well, you don;t talk about atheism, just how much better is is than everything else but is curiously both everything and nothing (while not actually claiming anything), and of course ramble on about how screwed up religion is ....

But of course, your intent is just to share, which is why you start threads like this one .... and then defend nothing. You bashing of religion is merely the highlight of criticism and natural skepticism, the reverse? Villianous and a threat to liberty itself.

Standards. They do tend to kick people the ass who do not have them.

 

Well, if that is your sexual preferrance, more power to ya.

Just goes to show how quickly your 'choice' switched after adamently claiming that such a contention was well beyond your ability to choose.

 

Oh I feel the same way with with muslim extremists as I do with Christian ones.....but it is a a commonly excepted belief among far right christians that simply being Muslim makes someone a terrorist.....That is why you saw all of the "Building a Masque near ground zero is supporting Al Queda" ads, a couple years ago.

 

What are the determining characteristics that you use in ascertaining whether or not someone is 'imposing their beliefs on' you?

 

For me it's if they openly want laws that outlaw anything they deem to be "Immoral", such as gay marriage and other things that have no direct effect on their lives....

This is something that is commonplace among christians. They tend to not understand that morality is relative and that their morals may not be what someone else considers to be right.

 

What you are essentially saying is "if someone has an opposing view than what I have regarding the laws, then they are stepping on my rights". You are then opposed to various ideas of morality that are not in accord with your own views of morality. Oh well. Such is the nature of secular law. You don't make the laws, and neither do I. So if you want to blame someone for the status of the laws, then blame it on your legislators. Go to them and tell them how much you despise their laws.

The opposite is also true. Those that oppose the moral laws (secular in nature) don't take into consideration that their view of the laws may not be the same as the majority of people.

 

NO. Now I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and concede that you simply don't understand my position, rather than suggest you are trying to intentionally misrepresent it (as you have done in other threads numerous times).

Talk about your faith all day -- I don't care, doesn't effect me in the least. Use the organs of government to impose your faith on me and my fellow citizens? Now I care. Do you get it? Can you make this distinction? It's quite a simple one. Surely you're smart enough to figure it out. That was a compliment.

I would respond to that jumble of words if only I could decipher it.

My intent is to understand the world around me.

Agreed. This is why I demand facts from you and your minions -- facts you can never seem to produce. Not to put too fine a point on it, of course.

 

Don't get your hopes up, sailor. It's platonic love, like the kind you say Jesus has for me.

 

Likewise, it is accepted among far right Muslims that being Christian (or any other thing than Muslim) also makes one a terrorist. Worse even -- an infidel, inhuman, and deserving of nothing but the most cruel treatment. There is a reason they call us "the Great Satan."

 

Not even close. Try this: "if someone seeks to legislate behavior that does not harm them, then they are stepping on my rights, and those of my fellow citizens." This is S.O.P. in modern-day Christendom -- seek to enact legislation that coincides with Biblical principles -- at the expense of liberty, of course.

Legislators elected by Christians who elect them specifically because they will infringe on the freedoms of some for the psychological comfort of others. Non-Christians do this too, of course, but it just so happens that Christians enjoy majority status in most Western societies, including this one, so they have the power to impose their beliefs on others. I wish they would think better of it, however. I wish they would be a little more careful in their deliberations. I wish they would recognize that not everyone is like them and that really, if they want to do right, they would leave the rest of us alone and not attempt to legislate us into compliance.

Of course. Now we probably should start another thread, not in the religion section, concerning the purpose of law in a free society. I suspect we may differ on that one as well.

 

Your intent is clear. Its to troll and then make excuses.

First you tell us that Christians are fousting their beliefs on you and stepping outside the bounds.

Now, its talk all you want because you defend free speech .... er, wait. Now you are a victim because people just don't understand you, and you have trouble figuring out what is being said, even though you desire to understand the world around you ... by insulting it. So tell us all, WHO is forcing their religion on you in this or any thread? Well, however flimsy the excuse, as ong as you have one ...

Yep, that is indeed modern atheism as practiced. Never leads to anything but excuses and victimization.

 

No...If they want to outlaw any behavior that they see as wrong or immoral, but not does not actually effect them in any way...they are stepping on others rights...

Not being offended is not a right...So I don't care how a christian feels about homosexuality..,They have no right to outlaw gay marriage.

 

Well, I want to outlaw excessive speeding, even though I drive well.

I think we need regulations that fit standards, like AC current to run appliances on a common industrial platform - the size of shipping containers to increase efficiency in our transportation networks.

I also think that many hard drugs should remain illegal, even if individual users harm no one.

I think prostitution should remain illegal. Even if some dolts actually think this is a victimless crime.

I also think beastiality should be illegal, even if the horse is not technicaly legally allowed or able to consent or not.

Etc.

Really, when questions of morality come along, you are not a victim simply because you are on the losing side.

There is this amazing guy in history named George Kennan. And do you know what this rather amazing guys did? He changed people's opinion through eloquence and accuracy in arguementation - a profooundly gifted and clear man.

Never once did he say, "My opponents are simply trying to push their agenda upon me! Therefore I am right."

He recognized that there was a policy decision to make, and went about explaining why his viw was the best in simply, logical, and eloqent fashion. He usually won, not because he was George Kennan the mighty oppressor, but because his case, his arguement was clearly the best available option.

That gents is how it is done. Not by screaming, "WHOA IS ME!"

 

Only one problem. The government (US) is (according to non-theists) not based on Christianity nor any other religion to which the government could publicly acknowledge... therefore, the government must be construed as a 'secularist' government and the laws enacted by that government, secular laws. The government is also a government composed of people of every religion and non-theist religions, and the laws that are passed are passed by the majority consent of the legislators. Legislators that are acting in a secular capacity. So, we can all see, that you don't like secular laws any more than you would like ecclesiastical laws. The funny thing about that, is the highly probable fact that there are Atheist or at least non-theist Legislators who make those laws.

Yes! That electoral process is so overwhelmingly Christian oriented. "But it just so happens"..... SO WHAT? If you don't like the way things are run by that government which hopefully you participated in through the election process, then pick a country where things would work more to your advantage, else spend more time campaigning for someone who will give you the representation that you are seeking. If you fail to get out there and change that majority rule scenario, then you are part of the problem.

Do whatever your little ole heart desires... after all,,, seemingly what you are proposing is a society totally ruled by the philosophy of 'if it feels good, then do it'.

 

Now you're just lying. What a disappointment you turned out to be.

Not "... and stepping" but "... by stepping." VERY important distinction, one even you should be able to make.

Yes. That's exactly what it is. Words do me no harm. I've said this numerous times.

Sop lying. I am not a victim nor have I ever claimed to be one.

Nobody.

Modern Christianity as practiced: never leads to anything but justifications and sheer arrogance.

 

Speed is not the killer. Bad driving is.

Now you've finally said something that makes sense. I'm sure accidentally.

Why is it any of your business?

Why is it any of your business?

Why is it any of your business?

Why is it any of your business?

Why is it any of your business?

An example we can all learn from.

Indeed.

 

Agh, I was wrong, your whole point was not JUST trolling, it is to insult and abuse people to boot.

Wait - that is exactly what I said.

Yes, there is a huge difference made there - one so grand you cannot explain it as anything more grand than by adding the word by.

Its called rationalization.

Seriously, what are you defending at this point save your own pride?

And yet you whine the loudest? I see ANOTHER disconnect between the claim and the action.

Right, you are just a victim of oppressive religious people forcing their views on you by giving you an education, enfranchisement, justice, and free path to choose as you wish. But you aren't claiming that ... except you did.

That's why you are always on the losing side and have to resort to insults petulance and ever changing standards and claims. Shrug.

What is the point of this drivel? What point are you trying to make? That you will lash out when wrong? We already knew that.

 

Wasn't jesus all love and forgiveness? Aren't christians supposed to forgive, rather than hate? I thought god fogave those who forgaave others?

That's a lot of military personel to end up in hell....

 

Do you like to say I have to forgive someone first before I'll shoot you down because you are an enemy of my wonderful lovely christian religion? (*)(*)(*)(*) - ¿where's my catechism? - see you later ...

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