Ask a Jew! What the Heck, why not....?

Google tells me that it is the Imperial Crown of the Holy Roman Empire...
? And, this means - what?

And, I apologize vis a vis misrepresenting St. Bernard. You are correct in that he discouraged the Crusaders from killing Jews (which was one reason that he considered the vast majority of Crusaders scum).

And - I don't understand this:
"I wanted to know wether you are really a Jew and I liked to show to you how easy it is to produce stereotypes and prejudices. If you think about Christians - and how Jews had to suffer under Christians - then you should maybe not forget the paradoxon of the good deed: If someoen took care and prevented a war then we don't know anything about this war. If we take a look at history then we see often the catastrophes - and not the good parts."

I don't believe that I was stereotyping Christians at all. I was, indeed presenting an accurate history of how Christian theology developed as it applied to Jews and Judaism.
These were, indeed, the official teachings of ALL Christian churches for well over 1,000 years.
And - as you noted, I'm sure that there were many fine people in Christianity who did NOT act on those church teachings, just as there were many fine Americans and Europeans who did NOT believe that black Africans were destined to be slaves.
Nonetheless, African slavery was a way of life in America for almost 300 years because the majority of people believed what their leaders and preachers taught them - Africans were inferior and destined to be slaves.
And, the majority of Christendom believed what their Church taught them about Jews - that they were Christ Killers and destined for punishment and death.

 

You are positing theological questions here.
I can tell you what Judaism teaches and what Torah observant Jews believe but, I cannot tell you what YOU should believe or how YOU ought to define "god."
I know what I know and I said what I said... Who am I to blow against the wind...?

It is a lifetime of study and experience that has led me to believe that the Torah is true and that G-d is G-d.
If a person wanted to go through that process, I could give instructions on how - but I cannot do so for anyone who has no interest in discovering the whys and wherefores of Judaism.
I cannot offer proof for anything. Only directions.

 

"A lifetime of study" - a lifetime of indoctrination, more like. That's what religious people do - indoctrinate themselves and permit themselves to be indoctrinated by others, being selective about the information they will study and accept in accordance with an existing bias towards a certain end.

A couple of the worst religions for completely dominating the minds of adherents seem to be Judaism and Catholicism. Both like to start people young, when they're easily manipulated and conditioned into accepting belief systems, and so it goes on through adulthood. If you're raised Jewish, you remain Jewish. If you're raised Catholic, you remain Catholic. Doesn't it cause you alarm that there are schools dedicated to teaching such worldviews from kindergarten on into adulthood? That is how religion perpetuates itself and maintains control over people - by manipulating the information you receive and even how you process it throughout your life.

I'm too concerned with objective reality to have much patience for that. It's cultism on a massive scale.

 

Fascinating post, thanks so much for opening this dialogue.

 

Here is my question,...
As a Jew is it acceptable to the Orthodox that I see Christ as the The Elijah because he did fulfill all that the Elijah was to so do, and the one-to-one correspondences between the visit by Elijah in 800BC and in 32AD would show the same behaviors and miracles and Jewish reactions in both cases.
Plus, Jesus seems to have answered the ancient question about whether to drink the 5th cup set aside ofr Elijah when he initiated the Christian Eucharist.

What is your answer, was Christ possibly the Elijah, returned in 32AD?

They both did the same miracles, which was traditional supposed to identify Elijah when would come back.

Both Elijah and Jesus raised the dead


Both Elijah and Jesus were immortal.

Both Elijah and Jesus disappeared from the foot of a mountain.

Both Elijah and Jesus ascended into Heaven before witnesses.

Both Elijah and Jesus troubled Israel.

Both Elijah and Jesus were hunted down by the Jewish authorities.

Both Elijah and Jesus hid in a cave/tomb.

Both Elijah and Jesus pondered in the wilderness 40 days.

Both Elijah and Jesus walked on the water.

Both wrote letters to people on Earth after they had ascended.

Both appointed a successor, Elisha by Elijah, and Peter, by Christ.

Both were hunted by the Jewish authorities

Both gave a successor the power to raise the dead

Both gave a successor a symbolic authority, the cloak to one, the keys to the other.

Both asked that the this "cup" be taken from them.

Both are said to have had miraculous births.

Both multiplied the meal for many people they feed in the crowd

Both destroyed the pagan worshippers and priests, one Baal, the other, the Pantheon of Rome.

Both were promised faithfulness three times, Elisha in the former and Peter, in the latter.




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Fine, you seek indulgence... I shall indulge us in correcting your misinformation.
How would you know that your above opinion is accurate?
Have you studied any religion at all? If so what? What did you learn?
If not, then what rational basis do you have for your errant beliefs regarding religion?
How could you possibly know? What "investigation and inquiry" have you done into any "body of knowledge" regarding religion?
What "skepticism and critical thinking" have you applied to religion?

You really ought to study a modicum of information about religion; at least check out some statistics.
More Jews have assimilated into other religions or no religion than are currently Observant Jews. And, Jewish assimilation has been going on for the last three thousand years.
And, as there was NO such thing as "Protestantism" before 16th Century, the same might be said about Catholicism.
History is your friend. Read. Study. Learn.

Now, you're just being funny - aren't you?
You didn't by any chance go to a Liberal Arts college and go onto to Graduate School, did you?
And, I don't suppose you studied the great thinkers such as Lenin or Marx, did you?
At any rate, in the very strictest scientific sense, your "worldview" is also molded how you were manipulated and the way you received your "information."

"Objective Reality?" Nice. But - not very scientific.

 

But how is it different from those who teach behaviors that are sexually promiscuous and lead to a dishonoir of their parents through pre-marital sex, and essential "steal" their Welfare from the religious tax paying Right that does not fornicate or bear illegimate babies?

What about the forces which once were called gods, Like Eros, tha teach men to masturbate one another and spread diseases that taxes, again, must be collected for expensive AIDS tretments, AUDS research, AIDS welfare/disability, AIDS medication in the tens of thousands of dollars, now Federal benefits to men which were initially proposed for housewives?

Is the pided piper of sexual promiscuity we hear in the music, the Rap, and the Hollywood movies and TV not really the indoctrinations of Baal and Ashtorah?
How is Judaism and Christianity and Islam doing anything but compateing fairly with these evil forces???

 

Simply put - no. There is NO possibility in Judaism that Jesus was Elijah.
However - there is also no reason for you not to believe what makes sense to you. Unless you are Jewish. Then, I would encourage you to stop...

 

I am pretty sure it is the actions of the Zionists.

 

He would be funny if the cost of crime and all other social problem were not so expensive and clearly the result of a failure in america to teach from the earliest ages that marriage anf family with two natural parents is the foundation for a secure, safe, and affordable society:

 

Oh,.. then Judaism is different than sayingthe Old Testament.

Even if the Old Testament says Elijah dd the exact same things as this Jesus, Judaism says ignore that.
Makes sense.
If we thought too much about it, that would destroy Judaism, even if V=Christ wasn';t the messiah?



According to the Encyclopedia Judaica, tradition has always told the Jews to look for the same kinds of miracles again, in order to identify The Elijah when he would re-appear in the future.

1) Both Elijah and Christ raised the dead:

1 Kings 17:22.. And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

John 12:1 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where .Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

2) Both Elijah, who never dies, and Christ were immortal:

2 Kings 2:1 And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal

John 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

3) Both Elijah and Christ. ascended into Heaven before witnesses:

2 Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. .
12..And Elisha saw it,.

Luke 24:.51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven

4) Both Elijah and Christ troubled Israel:

1 Kings 18:17 And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he that troubleth Israel?

Matthew 2:3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born..

5) Both Elijah and Christ were threatened by the authorities with death:

1 Kings 19:14.. And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of ..I..srael have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and .I. .even I only .am .left..; and they seek my life, to take it away

John 11:53 Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death

6) Both Elijah and Christ.... were hunted by the Jewish authorities:

1 Kings 19:14 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away

Then said some of them of Jerusalem, Is not this he, whom they seek to kill?

7) Both Elijah and Christ.... hid in a cave/tomb:

1 Kings 19:9 And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the LORD came to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah?

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth...

Both Elijah and Christ pondered in the wilderness 40 days and forty nights:....

1 Kings 19:8 And he arose, and did eat and drink, and went in the strength of that meat forty days and forty nights unto Horeb the mount of God

Matthew 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

 

No,..

History bears out that no society that lost it homeland has ever been able to exist for long except it intermarried and blended into the nations to which it had been displaced.
The stranger among the gentiles will always be singled out as the scape goat.
During the Middle Ages, time and again it was the Plague that stirred up suspicion and accusations that these people who were different had something to do with disease.

We see those murders were unjustified today, but no histroy of this kind of behavior is taught in the schools and used to educate us about this insanity that is part of our human condition.

It would be better for us, as humans, to investigate what we did to strangers, and relate to what jesus told you guys, about Welcome the stranger.
Something of madness about all this is important for our own mental health.

 

One hardly needs religious nonsense to encourage family values. All religion does is provide a way to try and scare people into obeying certain rules and guidelines instead of using reason to try and obtain the same end.

 

Huh huh.

Well religious values disappeared and church attendance in America stands at 50% the number betfore the 1960 Feminist Sexual Revolution.

The facts since then are clearly that Abortions suddenly arose to 1.2 milluon every year since Roe VS Wade, in spite of massive sex education and free condoms.


Welfare blossomed into the most expensive Government budget item, reaching $1 Billion dollars in 2011, which is higher than the Mitlitary Budget, and more than the whole 2008 Bail Out.

The cost of Crime and Punishment has filled the prisons to over flowing capacity as fatherless kids represent more that 70% of all violent criminals today.
Half of all murders in America are not by guns, but by intercity fatherless kids shooting them:

 

Where did Elijah write a letter from Heaven? A can see how someone could support jesus writing a letter from Heaven, but Elijah?
Where does it say Elijah was immortal?
When did Elijah walk on water?
where is it recorded in scripture of Elijah's "miraculous" birth?

 

Yes, that's correct.
There is no "old testament" in Judaism.
There is the Written Torah - the First Five Books of the Bible.
And, there is the Oral Torah - which pretty much encompasses everything else, including Tanach (what you might call the "old testament") and the Talmud and the last three thousand years of commentaries on All and Everything.

 

That's completly unimportant

Your "don't believe" is wrong.

If you think so.

Who cares?

Please. I don't discuss with Jews about my religion. Stay to be a Jew - no one forces you to become a Christian or to speak with Christians - nor do I like to convince you only a little from anything what has to do with the christian religion.

¿What? Do you think the german antisemitism during the so called "third empire" had something to do with the black slaves here in Germany?

Did anyone say that we are not bad people? No one with a sane mind likes to be the murderer of god. We are murdering god - continously - we all. Everyone of us. The most people for example will immediatelly put me in the category "Nazi" if they hear that I'm a blond eyed German and Catholic. But if one of my grandmothers had been a Jew and not a Catholic (what's possible but I'm not sure about) then I would be someone who lost the own identity. I don't know wether I would prefer to be a Jew or to be a Catholic. I know much more about the christian religion and I would miss this relgion if I would lose it. And I remember for example a Nazi here who laughed about me when I said I have jewish ancestors, because I am a blond and blue eyed "aryan" type and it cannot be that the reality all around us is another reality as the simulated reality in his brain. So please do you yourselve the favor not to be an idiot. Your crusade against the christian religion is much more than only superflous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=totVJAvLCes

 

Not so in my case. I need "religious nonsense", enemy mine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eWqq8XkyzI

 

Na, mein guter Feindseliger, are you saying that no religion = no family values for you? You can't be loyal to a spouse or caring to your children without a spirit in the sky?

 

You got it: Without me I'm not able to be. There's only one way for you how you are able to make the world free from Christians. You have to kill me or to torture my dog and to force me in this way to sign a contract for the entrance card to hell. And if I am not any longer the speck of sawdust in your eye then another one will be the new speck of sawdust in your eye. And while you are fighting endless for your own importance against nothing you are losing your life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C-R_nuX3d4

 

Hi Moishe.
What I love about yooz jooz is your pil-pul the ability debate tiny little points. I suppose its why d so many lawyers are jewish anyway

Ok you spell 'God' G-D. However writing is just a means of fixing the sounds. WHen I see you write G-D it says 'God' in my head so you are communicating the same sound. Just like writing F*ck or N*gger just sounds those words too so how does that avoid naming 'God'?


Secondly. My Great Grandma- Mother's Mother's Mother was born Jewish. Does that make automatically Jewish or potentially jewish?

 

Doesn't sound like a happy fate for me, nor for the poor Christians I encounter.

Still, everybody needs a hobby.

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Maybe I'll make N-gger my new nickname for the Almighty. What do you think?

 

If you like

 

And your hobby is what exactly? To erase all life from planet earth?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI24B01h-9o

 

Is that so wrong? It would restore Earth to its natural state before life started messing everything up.